Ask the Christian

[FutureAndAHope]

1. So it's ok to kill them because he was just showing off? There's no way an omniscient super-being could've possibly done that without massacring thousands of children? Is God that unimaginative?

Sure there may well have been other ways of doing it. I mean when we come forward to the time of Jesus he only ever performed signs of healing, and we see him as God.

2. What about all the other cases of children being killed in the Bible?

Well there are not that many cases out side of Moses books, and when Moses did conquer the lands it has to be seen in the context of cleansing the land, the bible made it very clear that certain nations were to be totally destroyed to remove their religious practices, religious practices that condoned sacrificing children to the fire, and many perverted acts. These nations if you belive the bible all knew about the miracles that had been done in egytp and greatly feared Israel. They could have repented, and some did. Or they could have left the lands as refugees, those who stayed were hardened God haters, who actually liked their lifestyles of sin.

3. On what authority do you say he would not have sent those kids to hell? Says who? You? How do you know this? Are we so privileged that our very own forums are visited by someone with access to God's thoughts and actions? How lucky are we?

Well once you actually get to know God you will know he is not some legalistic monster who demands people be put to death all the time, or sent to hell evey two seconds. The bible says God does not delight in the death of the wicked. How much less would he delight in the death of a youngster.

4. If he did send them to hell, would you condemn him for it?

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Woah, that was a lot of question marks.

I know God is love, everything he does is in love, I don't know too many wicked babies, so I don't really think any of them went to hell. But if one did it would be by their choice alone, a choice to be evil, but this is just rediculous how can a child be evil.

[ElDinero]

Hold on a minute:

1. A child cannot be evil
2. The books of Moses were cleansing the land of evil people
3. God killed the children of those lands because...

Over to you. Not to mention you dodged my final question - if there is a God, you do not know his mind. So I am asking you, IF he did send innocent children to hell, would you condemn him for it?

You also skirted my first question. Or rather, you didn't. You admitted God could have done this any way he wanted. So he chose to show his power by massacring thousands of children? So once again I challenge you to explain how it's ok when he could have shown his power LITERALLY ANY OTHER WAY.

[Epimethean]

Good god, the slayer of innocents, the rapist of a virgin, the conman of nations, and the murderer of his son.

He makes Satan look kind.

[Cinjin]

2. What about all the other cases of children being killed in the Bible?

Well there are not that many cases out side of Moses books, and when Moses did conquer the lands it has to be seen in the context of cleansing the land,

Total cop-out. As if "cleansing the land" is justified just because some bearded goat herder said it was to be done.

the bible made it very clear that certain nations were to be totally destroyed to remove their religious practices,

SO? this is the actual point that's in dispute. You refute nothing by this - you only prove Eldinero's point! The bible was used to kill and destroy - AND it was done under the guise of holy purification. Your views are sickening!

These nations if you belive the bible all knew about the miracles that had been done in egytp and greatly feared Israel.

That's your own ad-lib for the most and even in the cases where it's documented, it's only documented in the Bible .... which is the very book we're disputing.

They could have repented, and some did. Or they could have left the lands as refugees, those who stayed were hardened God haters, who actually liked their lifestyles of sin.

Or more likely, that was their FUCKING HOME and they wanted to defend it! and they wanted to defend their children! and their future! and they wanted to worship their own fucking god!!!

The ancient Hebrews are hypocritical assholes who used god as an excuse to kill people and rob them of their lands!! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT????

[FutureAndAHope]

The thing i have said over and over again, but to me it is a vaild point. These people in these lands would go to a temple and to worship their God throw their children alive into fire. You seem to think that is acceptable, i.e. leave them alone you seem to be saying. Moses said to the Hebrews the only reason why you are even allowed to attack these people is because of what they do. Furthermore the people they were disposessing knew of all the miracles against the Egyptiians according to the bible, and we also know the Israelites bought and sold food from the neibours of these nations, so they would have had a chance to let them know the message, i.e. it is only becase they do evil deeds, if they had changed they would have been left alone.

[KichigaiNeko]

Wow ...that was circular FAH

You seem to me to be living in the past.

[Zen Badger]

The bible says God does not delight in the death of the wicked. How much less would he delight in the death of a youngster.

He seemed quite happy to send two bears to maul to death children for the capital crime of making fun of one of his prophets.

OH did I also mention he's a rapist?

Afterall impregnating someone without their prior consent does count as rape, at least in civilised societies.

[ElDinero]

The thing i have said over and over again, but to me it is a vaild point. These people in these lands would go to a temple and to worship their God throw their children alive into fire. You seem to think that is acceptable, i.e. leave them alone you seem to be saying. Moses said to the Hebrews the only reason why you are even allowed to attack these people is because of what they do. Furthermore the people they were disposessing knew of all the miracles against the Egyptiians according to the bible, and we also know the Israelites bought and sold food from the neibours of these nations, so they would have had a chance to let them know the message, i.e. it is only becase they do evil deeds, if they had changed they would have been left alone.

You've not answered a single one of my points. Try again.

[Minimalist]

These people in these lands would go to a temple and to worship their God throw their children alive into fire.

And of course your precious "Hebrews" would never do such a thing.

Judges 1: 11

29 Then the Spirit of the LORD came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the LORD gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.

34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the LORD that I cannot break.”

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me just as you promised, now that the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

[lucent]

These people in these lands would go to a temple and to worship their God throw their children alive into fire.

And of course your precious "Hebrews" would never do such a thing.

Judges 1: 11

29 Then the Spirit of the LORD came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”

32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the LORD gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.

34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the LORD that I cannot break.”

36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me just as you promised, now that the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”

38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.

Umm, that passage isn't about human sacrifice. Jephthah offered his daughter to the Lord for lifelong service in chastity. Human sacrifice was forbidden under the law:

Deuteronomy 18:10

There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer


38 So he said, “Go.” Then he sent her away for two months, and she departed, she and her companions, and wept for her virginity on the mountains.

39 And at the end of two months, she returned to her father, who did with her according to his vow that he had made. She had never known a man, and it became a custom in Israel

She was mourning for her virginity, not her life, on the mountain. Notice it says after he did according to his vow that "she had never known a man".

And as you were discussing earlier, in regards to the bears, those weren't "little children", they were young men. The words used to refer to the so-called children are ascribed to adults as old as 39.

Would a bunch of small children be allowed to roam around outisde the city by themselves without any supervision? Not only that but they were specifically mocking Elisha because he was a prophet..which shows they knew good from evil. The insult "go up, go up" is a mocking reference to his mentor Elijah, who was assumed into Heaven. So it was deliberate blasphemy against a prophet..that isn't going to come out of the mouth of babes.