Lying to your children

[Aegrus]

Quote:They're all theories with varying degrees of substantiation and should be taught as such. Teaching evolution as fact is also harmful.

Oh dear,here we go yet again: Creationism is NOT a theory in the scientific sense,in fact it is the antithesis of a theory, Creationism/ID is religious doctrine,without supporting evidence.

Evolution is fact you cretin..

My understanding is that IT IS UNLAWFUL to teach that doctrine in a science class in ANY US PUBLIC SCHOOL. Period.


Based on that post,the school in question is breaking the law.



PS Was that quote from our little Hobbit?

It's amazing that people don't know all of these points already.

Creationism and creation science are neither science nor theories. They have no evidence, unless you count the bible. Which you can't. Because it has no proof. Period.

Evolution is observable, and has been recorded in small scale tests with bacteria. It is real. It happens. We have proved it. Deal with it.

You can't teach any form of religion in public schools. Teachers cannot endorse any religion for their students.

The neutral to religion stance is atheism- Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. are biased toward their respective faiths, as questioning leads to eternal fire pits and such. (Though not all atheists are unbiased.)

No, science does not know everything. Scientists are, however, moving forward with theories based on facts collected by actually testing things. Just because we don't have every single answer yet doesn't mean any religion is true, and it certainly doesn't mean that your particular religion is true.

Love is not proof of god. It has purposes tactically and evolutionarily. Love keeps social animals together and encourages procreation.

We are not designed perfectly for the earth. About 80% of its surface is either water, desert, or tundra. The 20% we use would still regularly kill many of us via predators and diseases if science hadn't saved all of our asses. That's why I hate it when theistic morons insult scientists.

Scientists have recently created self-replicating amino acids- the simplest forms of "life." So now we have that, too.

That voice in your head is not god. It is either your internal conscience, or you are scizophrenic. That warm fuzzy feeling you might get when god talks to you results from the "god spot."

We have a god spot because believing in a great punisher in the sky who would make us be nice to each other (while encouraging us to unify and smash our enemies) allowed for societies to form and survive. That is also why so many religions are so similar, and why so many people believe- the chemicals tell them to. So in the past, religion had a use. But not anymore.

The bright lights you may see when you die is the result of chemical overload as your brain malfunctions. That anyone is brought back from that point to tell of the moment of near death is one more reason why science is awesome, and that people who belittle their contributions are bigots.

Evolution is not spontaneous generation from the dirt, and it does not happen in leaps and bounds. (such as growing a new, fully functioning set of hands in a few generations.) It is governed by the same basic processes which make your eyes blue or which make you shorter than a family member. Minor genetic variation at fertilization, across thousands of generations.
Evolution also does not have pre-determined species labeled as human or frog which are randomly, if rarely, born to any species. To say that monkeys would evolve into humans or that one would be born to a human mother is ridiculous. Humans are not the end point, and evolution is not some nifty march toward us. Monkeys do fine in their environment- why would they evolve in our direction?

I hear the questions to these answers constantly, even though I would have hoped that the religious would have heard all of them long ago. They probably would have, if they even bothered to learn an iota about the real world. (Even the ones who say they know about evolution usually think that it's the same thing as abiogenesis, or a similar variant.)

Sorry for the rant, I just want to inform any ignorant theists (not claiming that all theists are ignorant- but most are) about all of these common points which I see so many of them cluelessly repeat.

[xxxtobymac]

I just got off the phone with the govenor and as long as creationism is not in place of science or darwinism then it is allowed, aclu agreed
ACLU said that as long as creationism is not the only thing taught it can be put in as a comparison piece. to compare the two beliefs. most schools just outlaw it to avoid the problem, I guess. and as long as evolution is still being taught it's up to each state to determine if they will allow creationist ideals in the classroom in addition to.. I'm trying to find something online, that contradicts that.

[MilesTailsPrower]

If they kept religion out of the schools there wouldn't be a problem, but that's obviously a hard concept to grasp. The teachers are there to teach kids about core concepts, god is obviously not a core concept to having a career, now is he?

Exactly! If people want to fill their children's heads with nonsense, let them do it on their own damn dime! I'm pretty sure that's what church, sunday school, and private schools are for...

I don't understand the school boards reasoning, no creationism should be taught in school. God doesn't come into play with core classes, it doesn't provide any material for learning other than to believe blindly, and teaching kids that aren't capable of critical thinking about god should not be tolerated. Keep religion out of schools, that simple. If they are so worried about creationism than you should have the choice of sending them to church. If I had kids, I would send my kids to SCHOOL to learn, but if I wanted my children to learn about god I would take them to CHURCH.

Last time I remember religion in school was in social studies 7th & 8th grade with the same teacher, she decided to play the Nativity Story during December for Christmas. It provided NO academic lesson whatsoever than to watch what Christians believe.

School should be comprised of Science, Math, Reading, and Social Studies (Civics); not religion.

[Minimalist]

What substantiation does creationism have?

Very little in my eyes.

Where is the evidence that your a sky-daddy made the earth in 7 days 6,000 years ago?

None that I know of. What does your sky daddy have to say about it?

I don't have any form of sky-daddy, Frods. This shitty little planet run by barely civilized jungle apes is all we have.

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

@the original post

It's illegal. Maybe you've contacted an equally corrupt person to ask about it, but I think it is illegal in America if it's taught as a historical account.

[SleepingDemon]

Contact the secular student alliance. It is illegal to teach intelligent design. There are no alternatives to evolution, magic sky genie doing incantations doesn't equate an alternative theory. Call the SSA.

[Zaki Aminu]

How as a society can we lie to our children and then turn around and get upset about when the lie to us. This is I think one of major reasons of my decline in my faith. And yet this still goes on, they teach creationism in my son's science class. an unproven idea and it's not even science why is it in a science class. With being a former theist, I yes lied to my son about the supernatural, and in hindsight I feel ashamed and guilty about it. Letting my son believe in God, the easter bunny, santa clause, tooth fairy like they were living entities but screw humpty dumpty. I'm sorry but looking at in now from a free mind that is child abuse at a sick level.

But how can you say they are lying if you admit you can't actually prove that they are wrong in their assertions? Granted, they haven't satisfied you with the evidence they've proffered in regard to their claims - but it doesn't necessarily follow from this that what they are saying is incorrect, does it? You are not the yardstick for determining what is correct or incorrect, are you?

[ElDinero]

In the case of teaching creationism, yeah we can actually show that it's incorrect.

[Zaki Aminu]

In the case of teaching creationism, yeah we can actually show that it's incorrect.

Really? How?

And which definition of "Creationism" are you using - or do you think that all creationists are claiming that this planet is only 6000 years old?

[ElDinero]

Well, it's YEC that the original poster was referring to, I believe, though I'll gladly be corrected. Assuming it is, then we can examine evidence and make conclusions based off that evidence, the same way we determine how everything is true or untrue.