Commentary on 9/11 atheist lawsuit

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What type of secularism is the USA? An occasional one?

Serious question. I have seen so many things about prayers in public schools etc.

The US is not homogenous. My understanding is that prayer is not an issue in most public schools;it's unlawful,thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hare.

Parts of the Southern States for example have a high proportion of batshit crazy religious right, parts of Southern Calilfornia have a lot of people who are just batshit crazy. Parts of New York have a lot of people who think churlishness is a dandy way to behave in public etc,etc.etc

The US is a secular country,which is to say not a theocracy,such as countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran.I think it gets confusing sometimes because the lobby of the lunar religious right has far more political power than it should have. (which is none)


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Madalyn Murray O'Hair (April 13, 1919 – September 29, 1995) was an American atheist activist, and founder of the organization American Atheists and its president from 1963 to 1986. One of her sons, Jon Garth Murray, was the president of the organization from 1986 to 1995, while she remained de facto president during these nine years[citation needed].

She is best known for the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit, which led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling ending government-sponsored prayer in American public schools. O'Hair later founded American Atheists and became so controversial that in 1964 Life magazine referred to her as "the most hated woman in America."[1][2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline_O%27Hare

[Autumnlicious]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline_O%27Hare

Thanks pad. I feel so fucking sick now. And angry.

Seriously, the section on her murder and autopsy painted the most sadistic picture imaginable in the most Jigsaw-ish manner.

That Waters fellow should've had a chance to experience a tenth of the suffering he gave to his victims. Motherfucker had the decency to die of lung cancer a while ago though.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I simply don't approve of negative actions and behavior and neither should any human being.

What? I for one do not give a fuck about what you approve. Who put you in charge ,with your anal-retentive-petty-bourgeois-Judeo-Christian-New-Age values?

I am completely against this ridiculous "right to be offended". People have a right to disagree and that's about it.

(1) Argument from personal incredulity.

(2) By "rights" I refer to legal/ constitutional rights. In Australia, nobody has the right NOT to be offended. Further,the right of free speech infers the right of dissent, up to and including giving gross offence.(except if you live in Germany or Austria, where they put Holocaust deniers in gaol:I do not support anti vilificaction laws. )

OF course I don't go around insulting just anyone, I try to restrict myself to fools. However, I do not resile from expressing an opinion for fear of giving offence. THAT is censorship and I do not support it.

You're offended? So fucking what? (Stephen Fry).

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Wait, did the new person just say negative experiences are the best way to learn? I'm pretty sure her/his other thread has something along the lines of "negativity should be banned." What a contradictory person.

I noticed that too. I'm not sure this guy has really thought his arguments out.

Nice flair for understatement you have there. British?

[Faith No More]

Nice flair for understatement you have there. British?

Worse, American. I'm just trying to keep up the image of my Internet persona, which is that of a well-mannered, non-confrontational, accepting atheist.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Nice flair for understatement you have there. British?

Worse, American. I'm just trying to keep up the image of my Internet persona, which is that of a well-mannered, non-confrontational, accepting atheist.

That's perfectly OK,it's not your fault,you're doing very well.