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Do you believe in god or math?
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October 4, 2011 at 10:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2011 at 10:42 pm by Modular Moog V.)
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October 5, 2011 at 12:59 am
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October 5, 2011 at 1:36 am
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Mark Twain  (October 5, 2011 at 1:36 am)Pendragon Wrote: So you are Plato's spawn! (a King Crimson line I think) Not knowing all the math doesn't mean it isn't there.  (October 4, 2011 at 4:21 pm)Pendragon Wrote: How shall I not violate gauge invariance? Gosh, almighty, I so want to violate it. Is there invariance anywhere? Or do all things change? Do you think the simplistic ideas in science now, will be laughed at in 100(more or a lot less) years? That is not an argument, shit-for-brains. (October 4, 2011 at 4:21 pm)Pendragon Wrote: I do! That was already way too many words for "I can't do physics." Slave to the Patriarchy no more
(October 5, 2011 at 11:26 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: "That is not an argument, shit-for-brains." Curiously, the argument is philosophical, not Physics. If YOU can "do" physics, care to show me your work in this field? Are you being paid to be a scientist? Maybe working like dear old Albert? Most people working, or teaching physics are nervously awaiting confirmation, or denial of the faster than light results from CERN. If correct, then what will you do with the wreckage? We will see. My argument has nothing to do with physics, and everything to do with the subjective state of our minds. This is where math is discovered. Same with a certain teapot, and various pasta monsters. Oh, don't forget the concept of infinity. Every God, fairy tale, and Urban legend come from here. Numbers are no different, though perhaps more useful. God is pretty useful to a priest. Numbers seem useful to bankers. Do you trust how they use them? Do you trust a scientist who knows he is wrong, but is angling for one more grant to come through before he retires? How many professors do you think are shitting bricks? An old quote about science is that it advances one funeral at a time. That is how the human world works. I think we have a couple hints, and a clue or two how the universe really works. Not much more. And possibly a lot less than we thought. Einstein thought quantum entanglement to be a bigger problem to general relativity. His work with Podensky, and Rosen, laid the groundwork. EPR has been testing out quite well. You seem to be quite the physics major, what do you think? Is it already faster than light?
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Except that math isn't actually happening in your mind. You're translating observations with your mind, using what should be a sterile language called numbers. If you're skeptical about physics, (as some sort of product of the human mind entirely) then your skepticism is misplaced. Be skeptical that we have the correct values, that the variables are all accounted for.
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RE: Do you believe in god or math?
October 8, 2011 at 12:35 am
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(October 7, 2011 at 8:51 am)Rhythm Wrote: Except that math isn't actually happening in your mind. You're translating observations with your mind, using what should be a sterile language called numbers. If you're skeptical about physics, (as some sort of product of the human mind entirely) then your skepticism is misplaced. Be skeptical that we have the correct values, that the variables are all accounted for. Ok, lets count snowflakes. Fairly simple. As we know each snowflake is different (as far as we can tell.) One snowflake never equals another snowflake. (But in math 1 always equals 1) We need an equal snowflake to get 2. Sorry, no dice. We are also not certain when the very first snowflake fell. That would logically be 1. The next would be 1+(unique properties), as each is the first of its kind that ever fell. And so on. Not so simple. We only have one snowflake. The rest are snowflakes #1 each its own. Can a sterile language have just 1 bit? Guess it does. And quite a few issues accounting for all the variables. The other issue is more bothersome for atheists. What kind of physical (objective)world includes a language? If humans no longer exist, who shall hear this language. If it is objective, and not in our heads, something out there must be speaking (dry sterile language) I don't believe in a universe that talks. Sounds like god issues to me.
When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.
Mark Twain (October 8, 2011 at 12:35 am)Pendragon Wrote:(October 7, 2011 at 8:51 am)Rhythm Wrote: Except that math isn't actually happening in your mind. You're translating observations with your mind, using what should be a sterile language called numbers. If you're skeptical about physics, (as some sort of product of the human mind entirely) then your skepticism is misplaced. Be skeptical that we have the correct values, that the variables are all accounted for. The bullshit you spew is more akin to numerology than mathematics. Please stop tearing apart straw men ("We need an equal snowflake to get 2. Sorry, no dice.", "That would logically be 1", and your insistence that math is a language). We CAN count snowflakes. The first snowflake is one snowflake. Add another, and you have two snowflakes. Sure, you've lost a bit of information, but it isn't information you were interested in if you only wanted the number of snowflakes. (October 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm)edk141 Wrote:(October 8, 2011 at 12:35 am)Pendragon Wrote:(October 7, 2011 at 8:51 am)Rhythm Wrote: Except that math isn't actually happening in your mind. You're translating observations with your mind, using what should be a sterile language called numbers. If you're skeptical about physics, (as some sort of product of the human mind entirely) then your skepticism is misplaced. Be skeptical that we have the correct values, that the variables are all accounted for. You can count snowflakes in a very limited way, but you cannot count them in the middle of a storm. You can guess, make models, which are educated guesses, but you are overwhelmed. There have fallen on earth, a very large, yet finite number of snowflakes. We do not know when the first fell, but that would be #1. The rest must have their own number based on this series, but I hear no "sterile Voice" speaking their name. And I am very certain you cannot count snowflakes when a single storm is hundreds of miles in its movement cycle. And do not be idiotic, math is a language. 2+2=4 is the same as if I said 'two plus two equals four".
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