Ray Comfort Strikes Again

[searchingforanswers]

http://180movie.com/

went to my youth and they told us to watch this. Anyone seen it?

[leo-rcc]

I've heard about it. TruePooka has asked Ray Comfort for permission to use some fragments of this movie for a response video, but somehow I doubt Ray Comfort is going to give it.

[Justtristo]

Ray Comfort's particular evangelistic strategy is dependant on the person actually believing in what is written in the bible. Anybody who does not can easily defeat this evangelistic strategy with little effort.

[The Grand Nudger]

Surprise surprise, people have rarely considered all possible facets of any given position they hold, and are willing to change their minds (even if only temporarily) when presented with what they feel to be a compelling argument. At least he's not doing the whole evidence for creation bit anymore. Comparing abortion to the holocaust may be a little over the top (and by a little, I mean many bananas worth).

[searchingforanswers]

He always resorts back to that "by your own admission you are a lying, adultering, blah blah blah sinner thing." Although I admit, he surprised me with comparing abortion to the holocaust.

[KichigaiNeko]

These people have very small minds striving to contemplate very LARGE ideas and concepts...( and I'm just your 'joe average')

[The Grand Nudger]

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Comfort

hehehe.

[Rev. Rye]

He always resorts back to that "by your own admission you are a lying, adultering, blah blah blah sinner thing." Although I admit, he surprised me with comparing abortion to the holocaust.

He's nowhere near the only one who's made that comparison. In fact, there was one website called the "Nuremberg Files" which was essentially a hit list for abortion doctors. But seriously, this college-aged girl at the beginning somehow never heard of Hitler? Where did he go to get this girl, Saudi Arabia? I mean, I know I'm pretty well-read in this area and my state has mandatory Holocaust education classes, but still.

For what it's worth, here's a RationalWiki article about the comparison between abortion and the Holocaust.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Abortion_and_Nazism

I'll make some more notes in another post when I've watched the whole film.

[Minimalist]

Comfort is living proof that a living can be made by telling idiots what they want to hear.


The pope being a second example of such behavior!

[Rev. Rye]

Regarding the Holocaust-denying fucktards at about 3 minutes in:

And I'm sure that if I could have fit it into this review, I'd have been sure to explain that Holocaust revisionism doesn't even begin to make sense, even from the Fucking Ignorant Moron point of view. Here we have what could be considered a major victory for the Fucking Ignorant Morons over thirteen million of their "oppressors" (yes, only six million Jews, but I'm going to assume that all the homosexuals, gypsies, anti-Nazi political prisoners, Poles and assorted others would also be counted as active threats to the Fucking Ignorant Moron race)...and they want us to believe it never happened. Even as they scream for and have hallucinations about and write fucking moron games like Racial Holy War about yet further genocide.

Is that even remotely logical? Even for what usually passes for Fucking Ignorant Moron thought?

Oh, wait. THAT'S the problem, isn't it? I've been looking at all this bullshit using logic. How unfair of me.

Wait a minute, he also had people claiming that Hitler brainwashed people into thinking that killing Jews was okay. Unfortunately, the fact is that Anti-Semitism had been rampant in Christendom since the days of Saul of Tarsus. This is what happens when you let college students do your research and not fact-check.

Did Ray Comfort seriously imply that Hitler was only thirty when he achieved power? When he was thirty, he was a bitter WW1 veteran who went in as the equivalent of Flashman and went out following the old stab-in-the-back mentality that's common with losing sides.

There's a lot of room for debate with Hitler's views on Christianity. He's quoted in Mein Kampf and several early speeches as still considering himself a Catholic and has claimed himself to be one as late as 1941. And yes, he did make his own version of Christianity with all the Jewish stuff written out of it. However, there's little evidence that he actually "re-wrote the Ten Commandments." I did find a German Soldiers' ten Commandments, but, seriously, the Mafia has its own Ten Commandments and it adheres closer to the structure of the original. Otherwise, uncharacteristically for Ray, it's actually mostly accurate, if definitely presented in such a way as to make his own version of Christianity looks good.

Yes, the safest place is a mother's womb, except for all the many fetuses and embryos that get miscarried before birth, and the many whose existence never gets acknowledged because those Zygotes and blastocysts never implanted.

And I really have to take issue at Ray's use of the word "murder." It's simply not appropriate. It's strictly defined as "the unlawful killing of a human being." For the purposes of this argument, we will ignore whether or not the fetus in utero can be described any more as "a human being" than a pine cone can be considered a tree or a live human being a corpse. We will, instead, focus on the "unlawful" part: if the killing is legally-sanctioned, it's not murder. Even in the case of Hitler's genocide. Crimes against humanity they were; murder they weren't.

And, for the record, the reason that some people who consider themselves personally against abortion say that they still think it's okay to leave it as an option isn't like saying killing Jews is wrong, but that people still have the right to do it: Cessation of the "right to kill Jews" didn't cause as much trouble; For just one example, here's an incident that happened to film star Jane Russell: she got pregnant at the age of 18 and had a back-alley abortion. As a result of a medical procedure being provided by someone with no medical training, she ended up getting sepsis. When she went to a legitimate doctor for treatment, she narrowly avoided dying, and wound up infertile. She was just one of many women who had lasting consequences of an illegal abortion. For what it's worth, legal abortions are more or less currently as safe as childbirth. Granted, it will be a big decision either way and, odds are, whether you choose one way or the other, you will regret it at some point.

Oh, yes, and Hitler's quote about the Ten Commandments being the "Curse of Mount Sinai." This is right up there with Martin Luther King claiming that anti-zionism is equivalent to anti-semitism. There's no evidence for him saying it at all.

Oh, yes, and we end with Ray Comfort's little ten commandments spiel. Somehow, despite all of this, he hasn't considered that an entity who destroyed an entire pair of cities might, actually be comparable to Hitler, especially when he has a system set up that makes Auschwitz seem like Shangri-La. After all, everlasting punishment for finite sins cannot be anything but unjust. I've actually posted this argument before and somebody actually gave me a reputation point for posting what they said was "the worst theist argument ever." After listening to Ray Comfort, suddenly I gain a whole new appreciation for Thomas Aquinas. His arguments for the existence of God may be terrible, but at least they're actually arguments.

And seriously, about his claim that looking at what abortion is will change minds, Rotten Library has a few choice words (next to a graphic image, of course):

Anyone holding up a stomach-churning sign like that evidently believes that some people just don't understand that abortion means killing a human fetus. What they fail to realize is that everyone actually does understand that. So their little show & tell has about the same effect as a vegan standing outside a Sizzler, holding up posters of a slaughterhouse. Sure, it gets a viceral reaction, but nobody's actually learning anything.

So, let's finish this sentence: The killing of a fetus in the womb is okay when: it's obvious that its life outside the womb will be a lot more trouble than it's worth. Or if its mother's last name is Spears.