When America will come back for the rest of the middle east

[kılıç_mehmet]

I couldn't give a toss about what people before me stood for. I care for my own values and beliefs.
I know that generations before me were quite ignorant to a lot of things. We are in a privileged position of having science, reason and equality being encouraged... We would be mad not to try to change things.

Those afraid of change are being naive... Change must happen for things to progress and for society to survive... Society must evolve.

Well, I belong to a community that shares mostly similar ideals and thoughts, as laid down by a few predecessors that have pioneered these ideals.
We propagate change, a change for the good of all of our kin.

[Anomalocaris]

I couldn't give a toss about what people before me stood for. I care for my own values and beliefs.
I know that generations before me were quite ignorant to a lot of things. We are in a privileged position of having science, reason and equality being encouraged... We would be mad not to try to change things.

Those afraid of change are being naive... Change must happen for things to progress and for society to survive... Society must evolve.

Well, I belong to a community that shares mostly similar ideals and thoughts, as laid down by a few predecessors that have pioneered these ideals.
We propagate change, a change for the good of all of our kin.

So those who deem the change you propogate to be bad for them would not be your kin then?

[kılıç_mehmet]

I couldn't give a toss about what people before me stood for. I care for my own values and beliefs.
I know that generations before me were quite ignorant to a lot of things. We are in a privileged position of having science, reason and equality being encouraged... We would be mad not to try to change things.

Those afraid of change are being naive... Change must happen for things to progress and for society to survive... Society must evolve.

Well, I belong to a community that shares mostly similar ideals and thoughts, as laid down by a few predecessors that have pioneered these ideals.
We propagate change, a change for the good of all of our kin.

So those who deem the change you propogate to be bad for them would not be your kin then?

Well, I do not define kinhood by ideologic affiliations.
That's why it doesn't matter. It's based solely on ethnic grounds.
So even if there are people amongst my own that oppose this, I'll still go along with my own ideology, and they will go along with their own.
However, most of the people that oppose my school of thought, generally provide alternatives that were proved to be inefficient, and generally, not working well(or contrary to our national character), such as communism, cosmopolitanism.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPQs6ri7Dt0
Listen to him. He shows how well, the US government fails to regulate it's currency and uses the patriot act to actually limit the civil liberties, based on the fear of terrorism.

[Shell B]

Well, I do get it, in fact. It's just that you don't.

Have you ever heard of context? We were talking about oil. So, you're now saying you get the oil?

Well, it's almost impossible for you to decrease unemployment, as you have no more uses for labor, with the rising development in technology, and acquisitions and mergings of small businesses and companies.

So, the only jobs possible are laborer jobs?

Larger companies, however, have earned themselves juicy deals on Iraqi oil, for the most part, as it's now sold at half of it's worth when Saddam was still alive(although the west tried to make him sell it for cheap by not buying from him. This didn't deter him from giving the west the middle finger though.)

Sources?

This is generally in accordance with the value of your money. If your money is losing in value, the prices will go up. If it were otherwise, the companies wouldn't be making profits from it. Capish?

What the fuck is capish? You could have said, "understand?" It's easier to spell. At any rate, it would apply to everything in that case. Please provide sources that say we are getting an effin heapload of Iraqi oil or just admit that is what you assume.

Besides, your oil isn't really that expensive when it's compared with the oil prices here, and we live in close proximity to both Iraq and Azerbaijan, both, who possess considerable oil reserves.

Did you do a little math to figure that out or is that just another one of those things you repeat or say for the hell of it? If that is true, it is likely because your ruling class is an even bigger bunch of douches than ours.

They didn't, until you showed up. Iraq was quite stable, and islamic extremism was unheard of.

What the fuck? Nobody was killing civilians over there until we showed up? Alright, I am now convinced I am talking to someone who is far out of touch with reality. The above statement would be laughable if the truth weren't so sad.

Besides, our main enemy, the PKK, was on a steady decline, facing pressure from two sides, when the autonomous northern Iraqi administration was not yet established.

We're not in Turkey. Remember?

And Afghanistan was not known for the production of the largest quantities of Opium in the world, although the Taliban still had a large influence on the area, as it does now, and democracy, was still nonexistent, as it is now.

Give me a break. Afghanistan didn't have a lot of opium before the U.S. came in? That's hilarious. What, did the soldiers start making it?

I'm just pointing out the consequences of your small trip to Iraq.
And how it affected a country you see as an ally. But obviously, you don't care, but expect the rest of the world to care, when some people drive some jumbo jets into your twin towers.

I don't give a fuck if you care. However, it is slightly ironic that you are complaining whilst not caring about any other country than your own and those that support terrorists. I understand the consequences. I have lived with them every day since 2004. I would rather have not sent anyone over there to help. To be honest, I think the Middle East is unhelpable. There is nothing you can do when propaganda is that rampant. It is similar to the Battle of Saipan. Japanese rulers sent out so much propaganda that nearly every civilian died because they thought the U.S. was killing all the civilians wherever they went. History shows us the propaganda was wrong. Those people were killed by their own country -- much like what is happening in the Middle East. Your religions, your propaganda and your hateful beliefs are destroying your people. We shouldn't have to help.

It is, but your old agents are still very active in those areas.

We are active everywhere.

Which ones? Ah, you mean the gassing of kurds, I think, the same kurds that were provoked by the CIA into turning Saddam's wrath on themselves, and at the end, flooded our own borders with fucking refugees. Still, those crimes were committed long before the second invasion of Iraq, so I don't know what made you wait so long to take Saddam down.

You really have to stop referring to the U.S. as me. I am not the sole citizen of the country you so love to loathe. Anyway, you need to provide sources for your ridiculous assertions. Oh, and I was talking about the rampant murder of anyone who pissed off Saddam and his insane sons.

Or do you mean the 9/11 attacks? If so, why invade Iraq, which had nothing to do with it?

I wasn't talking about the 9/11 attacks. I am talking about the rampant fucking state sanctioned murder that took place in Iraq. If it makes you feel any better, I would have preferred to go into Darfur, where at least most of the civilians are innocent.

Either way, your excuses are only valid, considering that you live by motto, "might makes right". And no one can really open up their mouth and say anything against you.

Again, I am a person, not a country. Furthermore, what is it with you extremist wackos and asserting what I live my life by? "Might makes right" is not my motto. I much prefer peace, but let's see if that can happen in a region full of religious nuts.

Stop who? I wonder, how many people died in western countries due to an attack by the Taliban?

Are you seriously that ignorant? Here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban.

Or the iraqi insurgency(who were founded after the invasion of Iraq).
Because those are the enemies that you've been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Aren't they?

Yep.

Besides, it doesn't really matter if the UK and Australia is going to war with you. I'm sure the British people aren't really as enthusiastic about the war in Afghanistan as you are, but they've been forced by their governments, who heed America's call like a good lapdog, just as the Australians have been forced to fight in Gallipoli by the British empire, for a war that wasn't theirs to begin with, back in WWI.

Haha, you're quite wrong, actually. Lapdogs? I'm sure the British folk around here appreciate that. As for Australians, my experience is that they are some pretty gung-ho motherfuckers. I sincerely doubt they can be forced into fighting anything they don't want to fight.

As I said, the mass murders occured back in the 80ies.

No, they didn't.

And well, why don't you invade Sudan aswell?

I never invaded anything in my life. As for Sudan, I would love to. I would love to save all of those poor people. It would be wonderful to go in, get rid of their dictator, erm, president and kill off the Janjaweed. I would throw a party. It wouldn't help much, though. More militia would just come back up from the DCR where they are hiding.

But I guess that even the American public ain't buying this shit of "bringing peace and democracy" to the world, and Yarrak Obama doesn't want bad publicity for his next campaign, so he lets the rest of the NATO forces do his work for him.

Let's the rest of the NATO forces do his work? You really don't understand what it means to be a republic, do you? You have no clue how our government works or who has the most forces doing "the work." I am utterly convinced that you are just regurgitating hate that you here around you. Ignorance is mankind's greatest enemy.

I do go to protests, but not for the arabs, nor the persian. I've attended protests for Eastern Turkestan in front of Chinese embassies.

Good for you.

And as I said, if the USA is really so keen about bringing peace, and deposing dictators, they should start by bringing democracy to N. Korea.

Wait, so as long as we're invading the countries you want us to invade, it's all good?

The people there live in even worse conditions than Iraq when it was still ruled by Saddam Hussein.

How would you know? There is no way in hell you have been to North Korea.

Can't South Korea defend his own?

No, clearly.

They don't fight besides you, they fight FOR you.
You drag them down into your shit with you, they don't say, hey America, let's invade Iraq/Afghanistan together!

Tell that to them. You can't speak for them. Ask the Aussies and Brits here if they feel like they are fighting for the U.S. While you're at it, ask the Brits if they remember the terrorist bombings not so long ago.

We have a red crescent. We have sent relief to Pakistan and Haiti during it's times of need, as much as we could.

Well, there you go. We send billions.

And yes, we fund refuge camps in our country, like we have done in the Gulf War, and now that the shit's happening in Syria.

I mean in other countries, half way around the world.

I see you're avoiding my point here. You've invaded a country with the reason of finding a single man, and it turns out that he isn't even there!

You're avoiding my point. That motherfucker was able to slip through borders because countries were supporting him and helping him hide. It's pretty fucking certain that he was in Afghanistan. Just because he left doesn't mean he was never there.

Of course, I don't think that he stood there for even a second after he heard that you were invading Afghanistan, and your guys were probably too stupid to realize that he'd flee to somewhere else! Or maybe they knew it, but just witheld it from the public, to kill him at the right time to boost public opinion on the war.

Seriously, the level of hatred you have for my country is ludicrous. I understand that not everything has been cakes and pies, but you seriously spout a lot of nonsense. The funny thing is, there are enough facts to support your wish for the U.S. to leave, but you don't even bother with them.

[Dotard]

And you think that it is America's duty to stop them.

Fuck yeah.

And well, why don't you invade Sudan aswell? Or Syria, just right now, as there are many reports about "mass murders" occuring there aswell.

Patience. Only two customers at a time. Libya is next, wait your turn.


I'm also obligated to post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

(...so lick my butt and suck on my balls. )

[Kayenneh]

*le sigh

Too many idiots with too many guns, a god that says what they're doing is justified and a need for revenge, while the average joe citizen would prefer no war at all, or am I wrong?

[downbeatplumb]

The war in afghanistan perplexes me, if the taliban stopped fighting NOW our boys would be home by May. The taliban are, in effect, fighting to keep our soldiers there.

[KichigaiNeko]

Why would America want the middle east when the "Middle East" is so good at fucking itself up ???

[downbeatplumb]

Two reasons religion and oil.

[KichigaiNeko]

You may be right there DBPb

A ready work force that is totally subservient and oil to boot where the big corporations can fleece the unsuspecting global population for Trillions!! And when the oil is gone leave the population in the poverty that was crated ...they won't notice because they have their religion so it will be an upgrade? While the UN and the IMF sit around eating their $$

Sounds good ? :S