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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:06 am
(October 11, 2011 at 10:02 am)Faith No More Wrote: (October 11, 2011 at 9:57 am)sonofodin Wrote: I didn't say this. I simply said that because the word has many different meanings, the blanket statement "I lack a belief in god or god(s)" is meaningless.
It is also meaningless to lack a belief in a "supernatural god", because the supernatural is a meaningless concept.
Well, then lacking belief in an undefinable concept is the only logical position. You do realize one can only have or lack a belief in something?
"Undefinable concept" is any oxymoron. It's not a concept if you can't define it. If it isn't a concept, then their is nothing to believe or disbelieve.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:08 am
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(October 11, 2011 at 9:53 am)sonofodin Wrote: What do you define as "god"?
Until you define the word "god"
You're statement is as meaningless as
"I don't believe in ____."
We don't define God as anything, pal. If I was ever to have a proper debate with somebody on the matter, one of the first things I would ask them to do is define their God. The next thing would be to prove it.
I think it's fair to say that most theists mean a broadly similar thing when they say God, whatever their particular flavour. And while you might say it's impossible to find evidence for these Gods because they are undefinable, if they have an effect on our world, as it is claimed, then the effects would be measurable. If they mean something wildly different, they'll need to define it and back it up.
If you wish to say of my atheism that 'Every God I have been presented with, I have found no evidence to support belief in it' then suit yourself. I just think it's silly to adopt this position.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:11 am
(October 11, 2011 at 10:06 am)sonofodin Wrote: "Undefinable concept" is any oxymoron. It's not a concept if you can't define it. If it isn't a concept, then their is nothing to believe or disbelieve.
Tell it to the theists. they're the ones with the definitions. We're just the ones who have a chuckle at their little stories, and don't really give a shit.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:13 am
(October 11, 2011 at 10:08 am)ElDinero Wrote: (October 11, 2011 at 9:53 am)sonofodin Wrote: What do you define as "god"?
Until you define the word "god"
You're statement is as meaningless as
"I don't believe in ____."
We don't define God as anything, pal. If I was ever to have a proper debate with somebody on the matter, one of the first things I would ask them to do is define their God. The next thing would be to prove it.
I think it's fair to say that most theists mean a broadly similar thing when they say God, whatever their particular flavour. If they mean something wildly different, they'll need to define it and back it up.
If you wish to say of my atheism that 'Every God I have been presented with, I have found no evidence to support belief in it' then suit yourself. I just think it's silly to adopt this position.
If you are referring to an anthropermorphic god in mythos without any supernatural attributes then that's something you can claim to not believe in.
If they claim to believe in a "supernatural god", then saying you don't believe in it is irrational. Why? The "it" is meaningless.
Answer this question:
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Did you answer yes or no?
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:14 am
(October 11, 2011 at 10:00 am)aleialoura Wrote: I don't define god, that's what theists do. I deny their definitions and the concept as a whole. Precisely the problem.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:15 am
(October 11, 2011 at 10:11 am)aleialoura Wrote: (October 11, 2011 at 10:06 am)sonofodin Wrote: "Undefinable concept" is any oxymoron. It's not a concept if you can't define it. If it isn't a concept, then their is nothing to believe or disbelieve.
Tell it to the theists. they're the ones with the definitions. We're just the ones who have a chuckle at their little stories, and don't really give a shit.
That's not true as I said before an atheism is defined as:
"Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods."
This implies that the word "god" has meaning, while it is actually meaningless, therefore atheists hold an illogical position.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:17 am
& if God were meaningful, as we would protest, then the atheist position is still irrational.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:20 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2011 at 10:25 am by Jaysyn.)
(October 11, 2011 at 10:15 am)sonofodin Wrote: This implies that the word "god" has meaning, while it is actually meaningless, therefore atheists hold an illogical position. Quote:God
noun
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. ( lowercase ) one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
4. ( often lowercase ) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5. Christian Science . the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
verb (used with object) god·ded, god·ding. ( lowercase )
9. to regard or treat as a god; deify; idolize.
interjection
10. (used to express disappointment, disbelief, weariness, frustration, annoyance, or the like): God, do we have to listen to this nonsense?
Origin: before 900; Middle English, Old English; cognate with Dutch god, German Gott, Old Norse goth, Gothic guth
Nope, no meaning whatsoever. Are you high or just being silly?
By the way, in case you didn't notice, I just asserted that the concept of God has meaning & provided evidence from a dictionary. Your turn.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:26 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2011 at 10:26 am by sonofodin.)
(October 11, 2011 at 10:20 am)Jaysyn Wrote: (October 11, 2011 at 10:15 am)sonofodin Wrote: This implies that the word "god" has meaning, while it is actually meaningless, therefore atheists hold an illogical position. Quote:God
noun
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. ( lowercase ) one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
4. ( often lowercase ) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5. Christian Science . the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
verb (used with object) god·ded, god·ding. ( lowercase )
9. to regard or treat as a god; deify; idolize.
interjection
10. (used to express disappointment, disbelief, weariness, frustration, annoyance, or the like): God, do we have to listen to this nonsense?
Origin: before 900; Middle English, Old English; cognate with Dutch god, German Gott, Old Norse goth, Gothic guth
Nope, no meaning whatsoever. Are you high or just being silly?
Thank you, you just proved my point.
You just posted ten definitions for "god" and atheism is the lack of belief in "god" or "gods"
I don't see it referring to a specific definition. When a word means that many things, you must specify which definition of the word you are referring to. Atheism fails to do this.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:26 am
(October 11, 2011 at 10:17 am)fr0d0 Wrote: & if God were meaningful, as we would protest, then the atheist position is still irrational.
Only to you, Frods. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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