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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 9:53 am
(October 11, 2011 at 9:41 am)cookies4life Wrote: So if both Theism and Atheism are irrational and / or illogical, and according to your argumentation agnosticism should be as well, what do you suggest?
Theological Noncognitivism.
More Info here: The Argument From Non Cognitivism
(October 11, 2011 at 9:43 am)aleialoura Wrote: Do you feel better now?
I am an nonbeliever of every single god that can't be proven.
What's logically incoherent is believing things without evidence.
What do you define as "god"?
Until you define the word "god"
You're statement is as meaningless as
"I don't believe in ____."
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 9:54 am
Hahaha, look at Frodo, pulling the Goddidit™ default. No soup for you. We could both be wrong. Make your own case.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 9:55 am
(October 11, 2011 at 9:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (October 11, 2011 at 9:32 am)sonofodin Wrote: Something that is "supernatural" is beyond conceptualization and cannot be observed within reality. Obviously false.
Atheism is an irrational world view because it bases its rationality on something it denies. Ergo only theism can be rational.
Since when did atheism become a worldview?
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 9:56 am
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You could be wrong about your misunderstanding Rhythm, I could be wrong about my understanding... which one would be most rational?
@ ali : you are correct. Shall we say 'the root of your belief system'?
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 9:57 am
(October 11, 2011 at 9:53 am)sonofodin Wrote: What do you define as "god"?
Until you define the word "god"
You're statement is as meaningless as
"I don't believe in ____."
Actually, if I cannot define a concept, I therefore do not believe in that concept, making me an atheist.
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October 11, 2011 at 9:57 am
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(October 11, 2011 at 9:51 am)Faith No More Wrote: Well, according to you then, it's logically incoherent to even hold an opinion on god since it is such an ambiguous word. So what then...are you saying the only logical explanation is to just not think about it?
I didn't say this. I simply said that because the word has many different meanings, the blanket statement "I lack a belief in god or god(s)" is meaningless.
It is also meaningless to lack a belief in a "supernatural god", because the supernatural is a meaningless concept.
(October 11, 2011 at 9:57 am)Faith No More Wrote: (October 11, 2011 at 9:53 am)sonofodin Wrote: What do you define as "god"?
Until you define the word "god"
You're statement is as meaningless as
"I don't believe in ____."
Actually, if I cannot define a concept, I therefore do not believe in that concept, making me an atheist.
That's actually incorrect.
The definition of disbelief is:
1.Inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.
2.Lack of faith in something.
You must have a "something" to disbelieve in.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:00 am
I don't define god, that's what theists do. I deny their definitions and the concept as a whole.
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RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
October 11, 2011 at 10:02 am
(October 11, 2011 at 9:57 am)sonofodin Wrote: I didn't say this. I simply said that because the word has many different meanings, the blanket statement "I lack a belief in god or god(s)" is meaningless.
It is also meaningless to lack a belief in a "supernatural god", because the supernatural is a meaningless concept.
Well, then lacking belief in an undefinable concept is the only logical position. You do realize one can only have or lack a belief in something?
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October 11, 2011 at 10:02 am
Show that you have an understanding, or that I have a misunderstanding. Appealing to what here? A "more rational" irrational belief? Spare me.
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