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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm
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Revvie Wrote:Left Libertarianism, otherwise known as anarchism, or anarcho-syndicalism, believe that the removal of wage and profit systems will greatly reduce greed and crime. they believe that the capitalist system is, at its root, the glorification and enabling of human greed.
Hell, let's do that. That sounds awesome. As long as I can still get my HRT and shit: that's just great.
And it would be so much more awesome to trade in reputation and services anyway.
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I roleplay? Where???? 0.o What on earth are you on about???
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 17, 2011 at 1:25 am
I like the top left corner, looks cozy.
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 17, 2011 at 11:21 am
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(October 16, 2011 at 6:25 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Revvie Wrote:Left Libertarianism, otherwise known as anarchism, or anarcho-syndicalism, believe that the removal of wage and profit systems will greatly reduce greed and crime. they believe that the capitalist system is, at its root, the glorification and enabling of human greed.
Hell, let's do that. That sounds awesome. As long as I can still get my HRT and shit: that's just great.
And it would be so much more awesome to trade in reputation and services anyway.
The syndicate would come together to ensure basic services kept flowing. It would no longer be done for money or profit, which means that the trades would take their time and ensure a quality product. In this money driven market, quantity ALWAYS takes presedence over quality. Slap it together, put a price tag on it and roll it out. human life and work is cheapened by money. In this situation not only would you receive your HRT for free, but you would not have to put up with the social stigma, as the Syndicate is all about "live and let live". Most of the laws in a society such as that would be more based on trade standards (safety rules, measurement standards, language standards for technology, etc..), and little to no social laws. Why steal when you own an equal share of the pie? Money makes it easier for people to steal.
(October 17, 2011 at 1:25 am)Rhythm Wrote: I like the top left corner, looks cozy.
Only if you are the dictator. Joseph Stalin dwelt up there. Thats Soviet style Communism.
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 17, 2011 at 11:58 am
Yes, the myth of the beneficent dictator. Just expressing a common human urge..lol.
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 17, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Holy fuck... Is there a society like this anywhere? Im moving immediately if there is 
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 17, 2011 at 2:06 pm
(October 17, 2011 at 12:35 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Holy fuck... Is there a society like this anywhere? Im moving immediately if there is
Everytime we get to the point of making a difference and creating that society, our leaders are assisinated and our members are black listed to ensure that we are held down.
Be oppressed or starve.
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 18, 2011 at 2:33 pm
(October 17, 2011 at 2:06 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Everytime we get to the point of making a difference and creating that society, our leaders are assisinated and our members are black listed to ensure that we are held down.
Be oppressed or starve.
 And I bet if I tried to do it, I'd be yet another assassinated one 
But I refuse to either be oppressed or starve... I'll just maintain my status as an adaptive anarchist 
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 18, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Are we talking JFK, RFK, MLK, Lincoln? As in assassinated leaders?
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 24, 2011 at 11:56 am
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(October 15, 2011 at 5:04 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: (October 13, 2011 at 11:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: You're making me hungry.
I consider myself a 'liberaltarian', left libertarian has a lot of specific conotations. My position is more like 'Freedom Democrat' in a state without any of those actually running or in office.
Right there where you said "in a state" is where you exited left libertarianism. Left Libs do not believe in such constructs as "state".
Sorry, what I was trying to say is that I consider myself a 'liberaltarian' rather than a left libertarian because LL has specific conotations that don't apply to me. I seem to have not been clear enough that I am not claiming to be an LL.
However, the 'state' I was referring to is South Carolina; which I have good reason to believe exists. Even if I were an LL, I don't think that opining that states aren't a good idea doesn't mean they don't exist.
(October 17, 2011 at 11:21 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: The syndicate would come together to ensure basic services kept flowing. It would no longer be done for money or profit, which means that the trades would take their time and ensure a quality product. In this money driven market, quantity ALWAYS takes presedence over quality. Slap it together, put a price tag on it and roll it out. human life and work is cheapened by money. In this situation not only would you receive your HRT for free, but you would not have to put up with the social stigma, as the Syndicate is all about "live and let live". Most of the laws in a society such as that would be more based on trade standards (safety rules, measurement standards, language standards for technology, etc..), and little to no social laws. Why steal when you own an equal share of the pie? Money makes it easier for people to steal.
How do you reconcile the fact that, for instance, automobiles last twice as long and require half the maintenance that they did thirty years ago with your stance that the market produces inferior quality?
In the interest of neighborliness, it occurs to me that under both LLs and RLs the other would be able to construct their society: that is, the Syndicate wouldn't stop a nearby communtiy from doing market-based economics and the anarcho-capitalists wouldn't prevent a Syndicate co-op from being formed. So there should be peace between your houses.
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RE: Libertarian left and right
October 24, 2011 at 12:10 pm
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(October 18, 2011 at 4:21 pm)paintpooper Wrote: Are we talking JFK, RFK, MLK, Lincoln? As in assassinated leaders?
nope..they arent anarcho syndicalists. Many of those people you listed were centrist, escept for MLK, who was a democratic socialist.
(October 24, 2011 at 11:56 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: However, the 'state' I was referring to is South Carolina; which I have good reason to believe exists. Even if I were an LL, I don't think that opining that states aren't a good idea doesn't mean they don't exist.
No..allow me to explain in more detail. The "state" is something that is not required. Sure, I am WELL aware that I live in a state, and that other people call certain things and places "state", but that doesnt mean that I agree with them. Political borders exist only in the imaginations of the people. In reality all people own an equal share of this planet together.
Is that more clear?
(October 17, 2011 at 11:21 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: The syndicate would come together to ensure basic services kept flowing. It would no longer be done for money or profit, which means that the trades would take their time and ensure a quality product. In this money driven market, quantity ALWAYS takes presedence over quality. Slap it together, put a price tag on it and roll it out. human life and work is cheapened by money. In this situation not only would you receive your HRT for free, but you would not have to put up with the social stigma, as the Syndicate is all about "live and let live". Most of the laws in a society such as that would be more based on trade standards (safety rules, measurement standards, language standards for technology, etc..), and little to no social laws. Why steal when you own an equal share of the pie? Money makes it easier for people to steal.
(October 24, 2011 at 11:56 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: How do you reconcile the fact that, for instance, automobiles last twice as long and require half the maintenance that they did thirty years ago with your stance that the market produces inferior quality?
I dont have to. Your question was so generalized and vague that reconciliation is not needed. When you approach me with some specific questions, with details, dates, companies, makes and models, then I will answer...or at least try to answer.
A quick answer would be that some cars made during a commmon time period are better than others. technology would get better, but quality steel and material have degreaded. So it really depends on what you, and I (in the name of fairness), consider is quality and what is not.
BTW - Ive seen quite a few 50's style Chevy's still in operation...but not too many hugo's or Gremlin's. But, then again, I just chit chatting the subject.
(October 24, 2011 at 11:56 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: In the interest of neighborliness, it occurs to me that under both LLs and RLs the other would be able to construct their society: that is, the Syndicate wouldn't stop a nearby communtiy from doing market-based economics and the anarcho-capitalists wouldn't prevent a Syndicate co-op from being formed. So there should be peace between your houses.
Yes, for the most part, Syndicalists are very much anti-authoritarian. That means they are willing to live in peace as neighbors to most other types of government. In fact the syndicate, although they may not use a capitalist system in their community, would gladly do barter with the capitalists across the way. Of course, if we see slaves being sold we would more than likely cut all ties with the capitalist society. There are certain things we draw the line on.
The chances that the anarcho capitalists will demonize the syndicate is much more greater than the reverse happening, in my opinion, as capitalism has by its very nature a competitive and forceful property to it....but I see no reason why they both cant live in peace side by side.
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