Male or female???

[Cinjin]

Screw such 'disorders'. It implies that people are broken, that they need to be somehow fixed', that something isn't 'right' about them. Unless it is life threatening or excessively painful: let them decide. If they are stupid: call them stupid. If they are fat: call them fat. Don't affix them the stupid title of 'disordered' as if it meant anything in a universe so absurdly beautiful as ours.

Pet peeve.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were not born with the genitals/reproductive organs of both sexes correct Vaeolet?

I've watched a few documentaries and I think the term "disordered" is something I'd be willing to bet that a lot of those people would identify with. Besides, it's just a word to describe something that doesn't function properly in nature ... something that medical science can possibly help to correct. I guess I don't see why you're offended by this? Many of these people appear to be suffering and suicidal - I'd say disordered is a fair, and even kind description of an anomaly in nature that causes so much human suffering.

[Epimethean]

I think the term "Not Determined" might serve better.

[Cinjin]

I think the term "Not Determined" might serve better.

fair enough

[The Grand Nudger]

Some words carry social stigma to some persons. It isn't the word, exactly, but the manner in which it may have been leveraged against such persons.

[Violet]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were not born with the genitals/reproductive organs of both sexes correct Vaeolet?

Nope. But I was born with the genitals/reproductive organs of the sex that does not match my gender. I certainly don't suffer from 'Gender Identity Disorder', because there is nothing wrong with me at all. Only thing 'wrong' here is that I have to spend so much time, money, and effort convincing surgeons that I am quite sane before they will allow me to spend further time, money, and effort on solving (or at the least reducing) my problems with this body.

I've watched a few documentaries and I think the term "disordered" is something I'd be willing to bet that a lot of those people would identify with.

And plenty of intersexed people get completely fucked over when someone cuts the wrong sexual organs off of them. Plenty of them in the trans community, so I should hope I'd know. Mostly men, since 'it's easier to make a girl'. Unless they were one of the very few lucky individuals who had accepting parents who were willing to wait before hemming their child into any damn roles: nobody likes it when someone else makes a choice for you with a 50/50 chance of being the right decision, especially when you have no say in the matter at all.

No... 'disordered' is not something intersexed people usually identify with. Why? Because there is nothing wrong with them at all.

Besides, it's just a word to describe something that doesn't function properly in nature ... something that medical science can possibly help to correct. I guess I don't see why you're offended by this?

Just a word... true. Just as nigger is just a word that means black. Just as tranny is just a word to describe a girl with a penis. No no.... I don't see why I'd be offended by this at all. Heaven forbid I dislike being branded as 'disordered'... that's not remotely offensive at all. Hell, I should even like being told I have a disorder... that's not at all like calling someone a 'retard', or declaring them 'crazy'. Nope, it's a perfectly understandable medically significant and also scientific term that is an affront to no one... not hurtful at all.

Many of these people appear to be suffering and suicidal - I'd say disordered is a fair, and even kind description of an anomaly in nature that causes so much human suffering.

I'm suffering... I've been suicidal... hell I know plenty of people who've been suicidal and every one of them has suffered. But I'm not about to call any one of them 'disordered'. Hell, I'm an anomaly... but that describes me more as a 'thing' than a 'person'.

if you want to call us what we are... then call us an irregularity. We are well within the natural order... it is that we are not particularly common that supplies the declaration of us being 'abnormal' (also highly offensive to many). That you even need a word to describe us as having some sort of 'condition' (here's another offensive one) is itself offensive... so fuck labels: the cosmos does not conform to your perceptions or your understanding of it... any attempt to paint a large number of people with the same brush becomes more likely false with each additional one painted. And we already have words for what we are. Use those. I am not a man with GID (gender identity disorder)... I am a transwoman.

Matter is a little close to home for me... and I am easily aggravated at how easily offended people are. Yet even I find 'disorder' particularly offensive... no matter who it be directed to or for what.

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Some words carry social stigma to some persons. It isn't the word, exactly, but the manner in which it may have been leveraged against such persons.

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The root of all 'offensive terms' is here.

[Cinjin]

Comparing the word disordered to the word nigger is a hell of a jump, especially considering that the medical community did not sit around trying to think up words that offend you. Your explanation does indeed give me some insight on why you are offended, but again my only point was that the actual word disorder was not cooked up to insult, belittle or chastise a person of your irregular condition.

In the history of the world, I highly doubt that calling someone disordered as a way of insulting them has ever happened during a heated argument. I'm more than willing to call you whatever you wish to be called, but I'm sorry, you have not proven to me that there is any malice whatsoever in a merely descriptive word assigned by the scientific medical community.

[5thHorseman]

Gender, it's between the ears, not the legs.

[Epimethean]

Whereas sex usually happens at some point between the legs.

[5thHorseman]

Thought i was going wrong somewhere.

[Epimethean]

Just put yer head where it belongs.