'Seeking' God

[salty]

But why do you reject it?

I reject aliens (UFO's) because I accept that God created the world and that our planet is off limits.

[Ace Otana]

But why do you reject it?

I reject aliens (UFO's) because I accept that God created the world and that our planet is off limits.

What do you mean by that?

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh that's why you reject UFO's? I call bullshit. But by all means, feign piety in your every thought. Maybe you accept that 1+1 equals 2 because christ died on the cross as well. sigh.

[Mister Agenda]

Salty, don't you see there's something fundamentally wrong about asking us to seek God with a willingness to follow and then we'll see it's true; when we have every reason to think if we did the same thing with any other religion it would be just as likely to produce the same results? What you're asking isn't special to Christianity: it's common to any outfit that sees the gullible as potential recruits. If you want to attract skeptics to Christianity, this tactic is virtually guaranteed to have the opposite effect; we tend to steer clear of tricky sales pitches. You might have better luck if you demonstrate what is different about Christianity, not what it has that is typical of many religions.

[Napoléon]

I reject aliens (UFO's) because I accept that God created the world and that our planet is off limits.

For jebus's sake please get an understanding of the universe we live in.

[Ace Otana]

I reject aliens (UFO's) because I accept that God created the world and that our planet is off limits.

For jebus's sake please get an understanding of the universe we live in.

She won't, it will contradict her religious beliefs.
She values religious beliefs over scientific understanding.

[salty]

you need to seek with the intention to follow Odin should you find truth to the claims of Norse.

Fixed.

Why seek 'your' god?

You don't find 'truth' through feelings and delusional thoughts. Or seeking things or beings that others claim to exist.

I see what you mean about Norse, that's a good point, and really this idea of seeking God can be used with any religious belief and you will have followers tell you that they have received conviction that their god from their religious background is real and is the true God. So how does one decipher which is which? Who is right and who is wrong? They can't all be right because they contradict each other in deep ways, one has to be true, but which is it?

If we decide which one is true based on what the followers have done we'll find that all religious beliefs are out, everyone has done something evil and ruined it for a group. If we base our decision on our parents we'll just be victims of religious adoption, never coming to our own conclusions about God. If we base it on morals we'll find that all religions present some kind of restricted moral code which can make them seem more believable than others. If we decide there is no higher moral code or way than our own then we actually decide to worship ourselves, even though we can't stop ourselves from dying, getting sick or becoming victims of crimes. So what do we do?

I guess we have to decide if we need God. Yes, we have to use our feelings. Some people, like you Ace, are very satisfied with the life they have and may not feel guilt for the past or relive their pain, some people have their own methods to stay positive and do things as they like to do them, using their common sense to make decisions that will create a better life for them while they're here and viewing the world as it is, full or life and rebirth, seeing nothing more.

But not everyone sees the world like this, some of us want to know that there is justice for people who have died in pain or on a whim, like myself. We want to know that the millions of people who perished in turbulent weather, turbulent times, in misery, in hunger, in shock, in sadness, that they will have their time of reckoning and they will be in a better place. Some of us want to know there is a way to stop the anger or hatred we have, to control the fear or the envy, to stop us from hurting ourselves and others with the circle of slefish decisions we tend to make. Some people need God because they know that in their own hands their lives are wasted, but in God's hands their lives flourish and they will be renewed.

Christianity was the only place where I was told that God loved me, cherished me, gave up his life for me, made a path for me, will guide me, will change me, will never leave me and even if I commit inexcuseable evil he'll forgive me, and I don't deserve any of this, which is why it's so amazing, because I know I don't deserve it. You can call someone's thoughts delusional, but until you've set foot in their shoes, until you understand what they have been saved from your point will never be made. You simply cannot convince someone who has experienced the transforming power of Christ to stop living for him, but you can easily derail someone religious.

[The Grand Nudger]

We don't have to decide any such thing. You keep talking about god as a given but it is not. Nobodies buying what you're selling.

Since when did natural disasters or pain or misery have anything at all to do with justice, and how can justice be offered by a nonexistent being? It isn't the dead that have any need for this crutch, as you've made so clear in this post, it's the living who miss them.

Perhaps you should have worked a little bit harder on loving yourself, cherishing yourself, etc. What some fairy tale is said to feel for you is an absurd way to value one's self. How, exactly, can you even claim this in the same breath as the claim that you deserve none of it? That's in the bible too isn't it. Doublespeak.

All you've described here is wishful thinking, and how does that square with all the nasty shit that came with it, that you defend day in and day out as the literal word? I cannot stand it when people claim that there is some justice to be had here. Again, where is the justice for those god is said to have killed? Where is the love for those he is said to abhor?

[salty]

But why do you reject it?

I reject aliens (UFO's) because I accept that God created the world and that our planet is off limits.

What do you mean by that?

I believe that the only forces allowed to influence people on Earth are God and Lucifer (and his followers). God has made the choice cut and dry, either you're with him or you're against him.

Gotta go, be back later.

[thesummerqueen]

So basically it boils down to "I love god just because it makes me feel better"

You know, if you had just said that, instead of revealing half the things you've already said on this board, or twisting yourself in knots trying to make it justified rationally, you would have mostly been left alone.