Why did god create evil?

[chatpilot]

Min just another biblical contradiction to the wonderful nature of this good loving benevolent God that Christians claim exists and worship.

[Minimalist]

Hello there, CP. Good to see you back.

You know, I have finally figured out an answer to the other thread about what xtians do that pisses me off the most.

They make me look at that stupid fucking bible of theirs for ways to shove their own words up their asses.

[lucent]

lucent, you don't need a bible or so called divine knowledge to define human behavior. A look back through history dating back before the existence of Judaism or Christianity will be sufficient to demonstrate that it has not changed much. You have good people and you have bad people and that is just a fact of life, but not all of us are bad.

It hasn't changed at all. See, bad is a very relative standard. The standard that God holds for good is perfection. No one has lived up to that standard except His Son. So, we all fall short of perfection. Which means we are all less than perfect. So some people are worse than others, but all have sinned. Most people could be called good in comparison to Hitler, for example. But we have all fallen short of the glory of God.

This statement proves my point just fine, in that one paragraph you have debased yourself and included the rest of mankind with you. I disagree with your belief that sin is real, sin is a word that is meaningless outside of a religious context. According to the scriptures the definition of sin is basically living in disobedience to God and following after your own carnal nature. Since I don't believe in your god nor any other for that matter, the word sin does not even exist in my vocabulary.

You can feel free to correct me but I haven't ever known a human being who wasn't a hypocrite, and that includes people who are very lawful and generous and kind. I know what Gods standard is and people just do not live up to it, not even close. Sin is trangressing Gods law, and whether it means anything to you, you still will have a guilty conscience when you break His laws. We all have a God given conscience which tells us right from wrong.

You stated that God does not want you to grovel but I disagree. If you read your bible carefully your holy dictator demands obedience and worship there are many texts both in the O.T. and the N.T. where God threatens us with some sort of bodily or spiritual harm for disobedience here are two for you. One from each Testament.

See now that I, I am he, and beside me there is no other god. It is I who deal death and life; when I have struck, it is I who heal (no one can rescue anyone from me). Deuteronomy 32:39 (NJB). Now if that is not a threat I don't know what is you should read the rest of the chapter its chock full of more juicy God threats.

I am not denying that God expects us to obey Him, and yes sinners should fear Gods judgement. There are consquences for what we do in life, whether we like that idea or not. Yet, we should not be seeking God in a spirit of abject fear, nor does He want that. God isn't looking to bring the hammer down on you. He doesn't want to grind you into dust. He wants reconciliation and relationship. God is merciful towards us. That's why He sent His Son here, out of love. That is the message of the gospel.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

He is patient with us, and does not delight in the death of the wicked:

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; fear him rather who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Matthew 10:28 (NJB). And guess what? There is plenty more of where this came from all over the New Testament.

Yes, it has warnings. This is a kindness because we need to be warned about Gods judgement so we get right with God beforehand:

Hebrews 9:27

And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

No matter how good you think you've been, you can't face God on your own merits, because you cannot earn salvation. The penalty for sin is death and we're all guilty. God is a just judge and won't fail to punish sin. That's why Jesus paid the price for us, because we couldn't pay it ourselves. He gives it to us as a gift but if we refuse it then there is no recourse.

[Godscreated]

I don't think G-C has even read his own fucking book.

Isaiah 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness:

I make peace, and create evil:

I the Lord do all these things.

I can't say I blame him for not reading it because it really is total shit but then he shouldn't pretend that he knows what's in there.

I have explained this before, the word translated as evil should be translated calamity or disaster. This has been done in the NAS, giving the correct meaning of the verse. This is upheld in Is.31:2 and 47:11.

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That was gibberish. I could come up with a gazillion instances in the Bible where god "created" a choice. That is coming from someone who does not make a habit of reading the bible. Eat from the tree of knowledge or don't is about where it began. I really do not mean to be an instigator, but your faith is the creepiest and most out there that I have ever come across. You quite literally make shit up that you think sounds good to suit your outlandish beliefs.

God did not create that choice, satan tempted Eve and then Eve asked Adam to eat. Satan tempted Eve and then she made a choice to sin, then Eve tempted Adam and he made a choice to sin. God created all three beings, they by there own desires chose to disobey God. You believe that God set them up, He did not, He did however allow them a choice of right or wrong.

[frankiej]

So it should be "I make peace, and create disaster"?

You really think that is any better?

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm still not convinced that it's even possible for a human being to insult an omnipotent, omniscient, omni-whatever being. Some pretty thin skin from the creator of the natural world, full of all it's "pleasantries". Top it off with this ridiculous bullshit you folks call religion, blind obedience to ignorance is not a worthy gift for the supposed creator of the human mind. Were I a believer I'd be ashamed in the face of god for entirely different reasons than you lot, apparently.

[Shell B]

He did however allow them a choice of right or wrong.

. . . and made what was "right" right and what was "wrong" wrong, etc. If he created everything, he created every choice you make. I don't even see why you are arguing this.

[The Grand Nudger]

Because god is a powerful genie when they want him to be, and a powerless victim when it suits them.

[Welsh cake]

Most people could be called good in comparison to Hitler, for example. But we have all fallen short of the glory of God.

Why would any one good person forfeit their humanity and seek glory? Looking out for and caring for your fellow man is all that matters in this one-and-only life we'll ever get.

I am not denying that God expects us to obey Him, and yes sinners should fear Gods judgement.

Why and why?

God isn't looking to bring the hammer down on you. He doesn't want to grind you into dust. He wants reconciliation and relationship.

Why the fuck would I EVER want a relationship with a cosmic cunt who can and will send me to an eternal realm of torture? He'll get neither from me the divine tosser as he is so he may as well "bring the hammer" down, prolonging judgement is merely another indication he's an arse who likes to store up wrath against the vessels of his temper.

No matter how good you think you've been, you can't face God on your own merits, because you cannot earn salvation. The penalty for sin is death and we're all guilty. God is a just judge and won't fail to punish sin.

Wow, your god is a dick of a Mafia boss isn't he?

[Shell B]

But why? He can still be their magical deity without them having to pull political style cover-ups in casual conversation. It's fucking ridiculous. Godschild really does have a strange way of covering up for the abusive parent.