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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:14 pm
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(October 24, 2011 at 5:50 pm)IATIA Wrote: Nothing, not a thing, not your god, not any possible god or entity can transverse an infinity. Therefore your god is finite and the thoughts are finite and if your god is as big and bad as you say, your god should know all it's thoughts. Or have I found yet another limitation of your all-powerful wizard? (Yeah, I saw that curtain. Just had to peek.)
God is the first cause. He doesn't traverse them, He encompasses, precedes and proceeds them. All an infinity is is the limited material reality failing to reach a perfect God. That's why they never end, because they are perpetually falling short of perfection. He is the endpoint; completion. All infinities have their end in God, because He is the sum, and is greater than the sum.
So, God isn't limited by these paradoxes. God can exist in time dimensions like we exist physical dimensions. God can have all thoughts, no thoughts, and everything inbetween, or throw everything away and create it anew. He isn't limited by these definitions.
(October 24, 2011 at 5:10 pm)IATIA Wrote: If the angels could not handle free will without the temptation of the tree of knowledge, then why would your god actually put a temptation in front of Adam and Eve and expect any more responsibility from a 'mere human'?
What do you mean, handle? Allowing for free will means the possibility of some completely rejecting God. That doesn't suggest at all that Adam and Eve couldn't handle obeying one rule.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:21 pm
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Kalam is ridiculous bullshit, stop. God can do everything except when anyone is watching, apparently.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:23 pm
lucent Wrote:
The angels were created with knowledge of good and evil. Humans weren't. Much different scenerios.
IATIA Wrote:
So what you are saying is that the angels were unable to resist evil, even though they knew better, and Adam and Eve should have been able to resist because they did not know any better?
I noticed that you missed your qualification and my response to that.
As to infinity. Again, NOTHING can get to the end of something that does not end. There is no end to get to.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:47 pm
(October 23, 2011 at 3:35 pm)IATIA Wrote: Why did god create the 'talking snake'? Did he not know what would happen?
How did the 'talking snake' get into the garden? Was god not watching?
This god must have known the 'talking snake' was more powerful than Eve and that Eve had no chance. So this must have been a setup from the get go.
Yes God ordained that evil would take place.....so?
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:53 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 6:47 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Yes God ordained that evil would take place.....so? It intentionally decided to make it's creations suffer. Like pulling wings off of flies? But on a grander scale.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:55 pm
(October 24, 2011 at 6:53 pm)IATIA Wrote: It intentionally decided to make it's creations suffer. Like pulling wings off of flies? But on a grander scale.
I'll play along.....and ...so what?
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:55 pm
(October 23, 2011 at 4:10 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Because he is a son of a bitch.
...or....
To be more real...
The people who INVENTED the FICTIONAL CHARACTER known as "GOD" or "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" in the old testament were racist, sexist, short sighted jerk slavers who only cared about their immediate profit. They therefore needed something scary to back up their fallacies from authority that they could just take people and sell them as cattle, or treat women like shit, or rape and pillage.
Therefore...God.
Or maybe they didn't have science back then so this was how they explained things. Why does there have to be a malicious reason for it? Perhaps they just needed a way to explain their existentialist crosses and their need for order in society (any order), and a way to enforce it.
Sounds like a way to control the masses so that order could be maintained. I'm not saying it was good order, but it might've been seen as reliable, predictable order.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 6:57 pm
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(October 24, 2011 at 7:52 am)lucent Wrote: Foreknowledge doesn't rule out free will. Foreknowledge doesn't force you to do something, nor does it prevent you from doing something.
I call bullshit.
If god has foreknowledge that I will do 'X', how can I possibly do anything but 'X'?
(October 24, 2011 at 9:39 am)lucent Wrote: Again, knowing how someone will act doesn't change that they had a choice to act that way, or not. If you created them to act that way, then no they had no choice. If you created them so they could act one way or another, and you knew which way it would be, it doesn't mean you created them to make that choice, if they had equal opportunity to make either choice. It means you chose to create a person who would have certain opportunities to make choices, and he chose to use those opportunities to make specific choices of his own preference. Does that mean he had no free will? No it does not.
Cognitive dissonance.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 7:12 pm
So what? Excellent, that's what I'm talking about, at least Stats not making excuses for the times god lays down the evil or smites the heathens. Unfortunately he still doesn't exist.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 24, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Man created evil and god so that his actions against enemies could be justified.
Thomas Jefferson Wrote:Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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