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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm
You believe them, but you cannot show them to be the case, and that's the important bit isn't it.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Yes, we are well aware that you are unapologetic. It's such an endearing trait. 
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:39 pm
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(October 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm)Shell B Wrote: So then you are saying that even the most devout adherents to Christianity do not have any choice but to sin?
No they do, but only because their hearts have been regenerated through saving grace. Without that grace they would fall right back into sin though.
(October 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You believe them, but you cannot show them to be the case, and that's the important bit isn't it.
Again, it is a biblical matter so I use the Bible to support it.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:41 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:39 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (October 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm)Shell B Wrote: So then you are saying that even the most devout adherents to Christianity do not have any choice but to sin?
No they do, but only because their hearts have been regenerated through saving grace. Without that grace they would fall right back into sin though.
So, people do have a choice not to sin. They have to choose god, though. Is that correct? (Note: I obviously do not believe it is correct, but am trying to parse out what you think.)
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:42 pm
(October 25, 2011 at 10:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: Yes, we are well aware that you are unapologetic. It's such an endearing trait.
I would not say I was unapologetic, if I feel one is warranted I will give it. I just don't apologize for the sake of apologizing because that doesn't mean anything.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:45 pm
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You claim that it is a biblical matter, and that the bible is an authority on these matters. You have not shown either to be the case (no one ever has, so I don't think that's really an issue with you personally)
No Shell, people dont choose god. They are drawn by his grace alone. They are incapable of choosing to follow god without this, corruption etc.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:46 pm
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Meh, the distinction is unimportant. We know that you feel superior would have been equally fitting. I'm not here to argue about our personalities, though.
At any rate, I will pick this back up later. I should work now. Stay preach-free, homey.
(October 25, 2011 at 10:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No Shell, people dont choose god. They are drawn by his grace alone. They are incapable of choosing to follow god without this, corruption etc.
Interesting. Why would god not choose people who are giving and loving, as I have found a great deal of atheists in my acquaintance to be, including yourself, despite your assertions to the contrary. (Scary, you are not.)
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:48 pm
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(October 25, 2011 at 10:41 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, people do have a choice not to sin. They have to choose god, though. Is that correct? (Note: I obviously do not believe it is correct, but am trying to parse out what you think.)
Not exactly, that’s not the Reformed position on that matter. God chooses them despite whom and what they are and what they deserve. Their will is changed by this application of saving grace and they therefore begin to want to please God and choose things that are not sinful. God chose me not because I made any right decisions or chose Him first, quite the opposite. I deserve judgment and yet He was gracious enough to choose me.
(October 25, 2011 at 10:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: Interesting. Why would god not choose people who are giving and loving, as I have found a great deal of atheists in my acquaintance to be, including yourself, despite your assertions to the contrary. (Scary, you are not.)
That’s because nobody is giving and loving freely, they are only this way because God has chosen to apply common grace to them. So the credit for all good deeds still would go to God because it is His applied grace that even makes them possible. Take His grace away and no person would ever do a single loving and kind deed is the Reformed position.
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Credit for the good shit, check, the bad shit...not my purvey, what am I, some omnipotent creator? 
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RE: Why did god create evil?
October 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm
So, you have to have grace to be good and you have to have grace to avoid sin, yet some atheists are good. Explain.
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