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October 25, 2011 at 11:15 pm (This post was last modified: October 25, 2011 at 11:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
They are not, consider it explained.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Quote:I have explained this before, the word translated as evil should be translated calamity or disaster.
Apologetic horseshit, G-C:
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
Douay-Rheims Bible
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
Darby Bible Translation
forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.
English Revised Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.
Webster's Bible Translation
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
American King James Version
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Young's Literal Translation
Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'
I understand that you are embarrassed by this shit....hell, you should be embarrassed just for believing in it, but all these people have some solid credentials to interpret this crap which my instinct tells me you lack.
Get over it. And yourself.
The New American Standard translates it "calamity," this is the most literal of the translations. The Hebrew word ra' can be translated as calamity and with the supporting verses that I gave this makes the most sense in the verse. All you have done is repeat the same verse with no supporting verses. I've gone through many verses about evil and the word ra' in the versions you have stated almost always translate it as evil, yet this word has many meanings that are not evil and the NAS bible has shown us how the word ra' should be translated. Remember that the NAS bible is seen by most the best and most accurately translated version. If you want to prove your point then you need to come up with some verses to support your view.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Those whose faith is pinned on the NAS believe it to be the most accurate, surprise surprise.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 25, 2011 at 11:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Those whose faith is pinned on the NAS believe it to be the most accurate, surprise surprise.
No there are those who do not use it that agree that it is the best translation and being so literal sometimes makes it a bit hard to read.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(October 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Credit for the good shit, check, the bad shit...not my purvey, what am I, some omnipotent creator?
Are you suggesting an omnipotent creator couldn’t create a world where He gets credit for the good but only his creatures are morally responsible for the bad? I am starting to think you don’t know what omnipotence means.
(October 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, you have to have grace to be good and you have to have grace to avoid sin, yet some atheists are good. Explain.
There is a distinction between saving grace and common grace. Everyone who gets better than they deserve is a recipient of common grace. Everyone who lives is a recipient of this common grace because none of us even deserve the opportunity to live because of Adam’s fall. This common grace is also responsible for all good deeds that anyone does. Left to their own devices, no one would choose to do anything good, we would be completely overpowered by sin. This common grace was made possible by Christ’s atonement. However, Christ also purchased saving grace for all those who trusted in his coming before he came and his church after his death.
On a different note, I cannot find a definition of good or evil in this thread, so maybe it would be helpful for a few unbelievers to give their definitions for those terms. Thanks.
No, Im suggesting that there is no such creator, and that you're engaging in an all too human behaviour for him.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 26, 2011 at 6:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, Im suggesting that there is no such creator, and that you're engaging in an all too human behaviour for him.
..and you know this how? By the way, are you from the UK?
Don't complicate things by changing the subject due to a single UK English spelling, Stat. It's not important to the conversation and you know whereabouts he lives.
So, you think god gives us all common grace, but will only give some saving grace? How do you know that we are getting more than we deserve? Genesis does not say that we deserved to die because of Adam's folly. It says god cursed us because of it. Therefore, the opposite of what you are saying appears to be true, according to the Bible.
(October 26, 2011 at 6:51 pm)Shell B Wrote: Don't complicate things by changing the subject due to a single UK English spelling, Stat. It's not important to the conversation and you know whereabouts he lives.
It was just a quick question; I didn’t think it warranted its own thread. Just because I know where he lives does not mean I know where he is from, there are British people living in the U.S. you know. I just thought it was interesting he used the British spelling for behavior.
Quote: So, you think god gives us all common grace, but will only give some saving grace?
Yes, His elect.
Quote: How do you know that we are getting more than we deserve? Genesis does not say that we deserved to die because of Adam's folly.
Romans 5 does though.
“Therefore, as one trespass[e] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness[f] leads to justification and life for all men. 19For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:18-21 (ESV)
Quote: It says god cursed us because of it. Therefore, the opposite of what you are saying appears to be true, according to the Bible.
Not sure what you are getting at on this one, the curse is man’s death in sin resulting in his corruption.
