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November 17, 2011 at 7:24 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 7:24 am by Napoléon.)
Smoked a couple of times due to peer pressure I guess. Never really seen how you could get hooked on something which (at least to me) is disgusting as fuck. As well as that I've never felt the 'buzz' which people get from it. If you're gonna smoke at least smoke something worth smoking, like weed
(November 17, 2011 at 2:35 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 12:24 am)Epimethean Wrote: It's such a fucking disgusting habit, I just can't see how people get hooked on it. It killed my mother, my father still smokes the fucking things, and I have only kissed one girl who smoked-and it was hideous. Besides that, smokers smell bad, are unhealthy and a burden to the healthcare system, and they truly lose the depth of taste for the better things in life: Pussy and food.
Wow, Epi, that's low. Nothing but personal bias.
I've experienced the feeling of nicotine -- it feels, to me, like someone has picked me up and is dangling me from a great height. I don't like it personally, but I know I like my coffee and my weed. The drug itself is reason enough.
What you're really taking issue with is the act of incinerating a cigarette and railing against that.
Be sure to note there is a difference between using the drug, and one specific and hyper-common method of using such drugs.
Also, I'm quite certain the smokers I know appreciate sex and food. So what?
(November 17, 2011 at 2:50 am)Epimethean Wrote: It's a shit habit that has zero upsides beyond the fix it gives. I owe it zero kindness. It killed my mother. Don't expect anything BUT bias.
So what are you two saying...the colour of the weed is the issue as to is grotesqueness??
Yes I smoke tobacco and you smoke the 'funny green weed' what on earth make you think that marijuana is better than tobacco?? And let us just remember what our mothers had to live though ...the depression, lead paint, DDT, Organo chlorine's, lack of food, lack of understanding cos "they're just sheilas and don't know jack", let's REALLY LOOK at what kills..not the tobacco, not the marijuana; so many variables .... so to say "tobacco smoking killed my mother" is erroneous.
I am sorry for your loss of a parent ...how old was she??
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(November 17, 2011 at 7:26 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: what on earth make you think that marijuana is better than tobacco
Weed is just weed. What exactly are all those poisons called in cigarettes again?
Smoking too much of anything is bad, but I can guarantee you cigarettes have killed far more than weed ever has. Don't think I've ever heard of anyone dying from weed, it turns people into retards sure, but haven't seen it kill anyone yet.
November 17, 2011 at 8:07 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 8:09 am by KichigaiNeko.)
The point being you are sucking "toxins" directly into your lungs.
Please don't give me the sanctimonious high ground...It just sounds like so much religious rhetoric fed to you from the popular media.
Another point I think of is .... the Diesel fumes and other chemical niceties in this so called 'fresh air' of living in a city you talk about. Not to mention the various pollens, viruses, bacteria and fungal spores that delight in getting into our (humans) respiratory systems ...maybe I need to get myself a degree in chemistry to delineate what you call 'fresh air' but I do know one thing....people will smoke for a reason and when that reason is no longer present they will stop.
And good luck and power to them who can do this.
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November 17, 2011 at 8:47 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 8:54 am by Epimethean.)
(November 17, 2011 at 3:24 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Bullshit.
Your mother fucking killed herself. She valued her addiction to it than to you. Admit it.
I've lost family too due to addiction. Some to alcohol, some to cigarettes. Their addictions, foibles and decisions ultimately led to their deaths.
You, sir, are hardly unique in your loss.
But you are rather vulgar in your beliefs, choosing to blame a physical object over your own kin's stupidity.
Call it what it is.
I could give a rat's ass what you think here. Defend children playing with guns, too. There were generations before yours or mine who did not know or have the benefit of information about the risks of smoking. There is no benefit to cigarettes. They taint the air, they smell like shit, they are deadly, they make people smell like shit. Defend that freedom all you like: They are a fucked up thing and I do wish we would ban the fucking things. So take your own brand of sanctimony, your love of drugs, and shove it up your ass.
(November 17, 2011 at 7:26 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 2:35 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 12:24 am)Epimethean Wrote: It's such a fucking disgusting habit, I just can't see how people get hooked on it. It killed my mother, my father still smokes the fucking things, and I have only kissed one girl who smoked-and it was hideous. Besides that, smokers smell bad, are unhealthy and a burden to the healthcare system, and they truly lose the depth of taste for the better things in life: Pussy and food.
Wow, Epi, that's low. Nothing but personal bias.
I've experienced the feeling of nicotine -- it feels, to me, like someone has picked me up and is dangling me from a great height. I don't like it personally, but I know I like my coffee and my weed. The drug itself is reason enough.
What you're really taking issue with is the act of incinerating a cigarette and railing against that.
Be sure to note there is a difference between using the drug, and one specific and hyper-common method of using such drugs.
Also, I'm quite certain the smokers I know appreciate sex and food. So what?
(November 17, 2011 at 2:50 am)Epimethean Wrote: It's a shit habit that has zero upsides beyond the fix it gives. I owe it zero kindness. It killed my mother. Don't expect anything BUT bias.
So what are you two saying...the colour of the weed is the issue as to is grotesqueness??
Yes I smoke tobacco and you smoke the 'funny green weed' what on earth make you think that marijuana is better than tobacco?? And let us just remember what our mothers had to live though ...the depression, lead paint, DDT, Organo chlorine's, lack of food, lack of understanding cos "they're just sheilas and don't know jack", let's REALLY LOOK at what kills..not the tobacco, not the marijuana; so many variables .... so to say "tobacco smoking killed my mother" is erroneous.
I am sorry for your loss of a parent ...how old was she??
Kichi, I did not say tobacco. I specifically identified cigarettes. Tobacco is one factor there. the totality of what is a cigarette is what I targeted. I think they are horrid and that anyone who smokes them should know better, and yet, were the things banned-perhaps without banning merely tobacco-fewer people would be dying from them, weighing down healthcare with emphysema and related conditions, and those who like clean air would not have to smell the fucking things.
November 17, 2011 at 9:04 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 9:06 am by Epimethean.)
I had the feeling it would do. We all roll up in our own way. I hate cigarettes on many levels, but I know there are still many who love such things. Am I willing to proscribe that love? Yes. Am I able? No. So I feel OK with my hatred.
November 17, 2011 at 9:38 am (This post was last modified: November 17, 2011 at 9:42 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(November 17, 2011 at 8:47 am)Epimethean Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 3:24 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Bullshit.
Your mother fucking killed herself. She valued her addiction to it than to you. Admit it.
I've lost family too due to addiction. Some to alcohol, some to cigarettes. Their addictions, foibles and decisions ultimately led to their deaths.
You, sir, are hardly unique in your loss.
But you are rather vulgar in your beliefs, choosing to blame a physical object over your own kin's stupidity.
Call it what it is.
I could give a rat's ass what you think here. Defend children playing with guns, too. There were generations before yours or mine who did not know or have the benefit of information about the risks of smoking. There is no benefit to cigarettes. They taint the air, they smell like shit, they are deadly, they make people smell like shit. Defend that freedom all you like: They are a fucked up thing and I do wish we would ban the fucking things. So take your own brand of sanctimony, your love of drugs, and shove it up your ass.
(November 17, 2011 at 7:26 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 2:35 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(November 17, 2011 at 12:24 am)Epimethean Wrote: It's such a fucking disgusting habit, I just can't see how people get hooked on it. It killed my mother, my father still smokes the fucking things, and I have only kissed one girl who smoked-and it was hideous. Besides that, smokers smell bad, are unhealthy and a burden to the healthcare system, and they truly lose the depth of taste for the better things in life: Pussy and food.
Wow, Epi, that's low. Nothing but personal bias.
I've experienced the feeling of nicotine -- it feels, to me, like someone has picked me up and is dangling me from a great height. I don't like it personally, but I know I like my coffee and my weed. The drug itself is reason enough.
What you're really taking issue with is the act of incinerating a cigarette and railing against that.
Be sure to note there is a difference between using the drug, and one specific and hyper-common method of using such drugs.
Also, I'm quite certain the smokers I know appreciate sex and food. So what?
(November 17, 2011 at 2:50 am)Epimethean Wrote: It's a shit habit that has zero upsides beyond the fix it gives. I owe it zero kindness. It killed my mother. Don't expect anything BUT bias.
So what are you two saying...the colour of the weed is the issue as to is grotesqueness??
Yes I smoke tobacco and you smoke the 'funny green weed' what on earth make you think that marijuana is better than tobacco?? And let us just remember what our mothers had to live though ...the depression, lead paint, DDT, Organo chlorine's, lack of food, lack of understanding cos "they're just sheilas and don't know jack", let's REALLY LOOK at what kills..not the tobacco, not the marijuana; so many variables .... so to say "tobacco smoking killed my mother" is erroneous.
I am sorry for your loss of a parent ...how old was she??
Kichi, I did not say tobacco. I specifically identified cigarettes. Tobacco is one factor there. the totality of what is a cigarette is what I targeted. I think they are horrid and that anyone who smokes them should know better, and yet, were the things banned-perhaps without banning merely tobacco-fewer people would be dying from them, weighing down healthcare with emphysema and related conditions, and those who like clean air would not have to smell the fucking things.
She was 68.
I am sorry for your loss.... my condolences. But 68 is a good long life for one who lived through what she did. Her birth date was during the "Great Depression"?
Did you know that the medical General Practitioners would prescribe cigarettes as a treatment for stress?? I kid you not ...my own mother (who is now looking at her 75th birthday) went through a period where these "things" were of some assistance to her.
I only rage against the thoughtless, religious parroting of the media hype. Just as many "healthy non- smoking people" are jamming up the medical system as are smokers...what you have "bought into is the media hype" and are parroting such. Not much better than a religious nut job?
I agree the imbibing of any "smoke" is of little assistance to ones respiratory system but then I remember that the "smoking" of say Sage or Cloves was a treatment for asthma prior to the pharmaceutical companies isolating the active ingredients and finding other compounds to do the same job.
Suffice to say...Harm none and do as you will.
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Smoked, quit for a few years, picked it up again. GL to ya buddy.
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