DEBATE: Frodo Vs Kyu

[fr0d0]

I'm away for the weekend (on 58k) so please excuse my temporary absence.

As I don't have any 'resources' it seems a little unfair that you can give me lots of work to do reading through long dissertations when you will not have to suffer the same from me. I'd just rather have your fresh thoughts on the matter in hand.

One of my criticisms of you (Kyu) is that you're fixed in your opinions. I approach this with the hope of learning something and growing in my understanding. That's the point of communication to me. I don't wish to beat you down with my logic. If I did I'd expect you to go on the defensive and close ranks. In that frame of mind It's very difficult to remain open to new ideas & possibilities. Neither of us would likely learn anything or move forward in our understanding. That would be a real shame.

What has crossed my mind several times whilst I've been away, is that very recently you (Kyu) refused to debate dagda saying you had no time due to some personal reasons. Now, only days later, if I'm correct, you are suddenly willing and able to debate me. Dagda did actually have a valid reason for debating you, whereas you and I have no issues we have even begun to discuss with each other. Furthermore, you have vehemently expressed your disdain for me at every opportunity.

Going over your non philosophy/ scientific philosophy and the nature of evidence doesn't sound so exciting, but I'm willing to bear with it.

My only wish would be that you don't drop out after the initial volley stating the ridiculousness of my points without wishing to explore uncharted territory.

I'm looking forward to seeing your preparation.

[dagda]

'What has crossed my mind several times whilst I've been away, is that very recently you (Kyu) refused to debate dagda saying you had no time due to some personal reasons. Now, only days later, if I'm correct, you are suddenly willing and able to debate me. Dagda did actually have a valid reason for debating you, whereas you and I have no issues we have even begun to discuss with each other. Furthermore, you have vehemently expressed your disdain for me at every opportunity.'


Yes, Kyu very odd. If you did not want to debate with me you should have just said. I wouldn't have been to hurt.

[Kyuuketsuki]

'What has crossed my mind several times whilst I've been away, is that very recently you (Kyu) refused to debate dagda saying you had no time due to some personal reasons. Now, only days later, if I'm correct, you are suddenly willing and able to debate me. Dagda did actually have a valid reason for debating you, whereas you and I have no issues we have even begun to discuss with each other. Furthermore, you have vehemently expressed your disdain for me at every opportunity.'

Nothing personal but firstly I did say something to the effect of whether I could be bothered when I returned, secondly I didn't say "debate", thirdly I did start a response and thirdly you have no idea why I was gone (life overtook me).

So no, not very odd ... shit happens.

Kyu

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As I don't have any 'resources' it seems a little unfair that you can give me lots of work to do reading through long dissertations when you will not have to suffer the same from me. I'd just rather have your fresh thoughts on the matter in hand.

And that you don't have any resources is my problem? Really Frodo, come on ... why should I be hobbled by the fact that you are (or claim to be) unprepared?

Frodo, I'm, sure you have many criticisms and one of them may well be that I am fixed in my attitude but that is my business (as it happens I disagree, there is a huge difference between being fixed and being methodological).

Don't worry ... I won't be dropping out.

Kyu

[fr0d0]

That quote was mine and not dagda's Kyu. Dagda said debate, and you said you had no time. Life overtook you but for a very short time, not enough to prevent you from debating. The question still stands.

I showed you why your 'resource bank' would be a problem Kyu. You seem to want to ignore the unfair playing field.

I have another thought. With the title of the debate (god(s), science & evidence), I'm going to have to argue the opposite of course, so you could rightly accuse me of straying from the debate topic. My response would be based around: God (singular), why science is only appropriate in the discussion theoretically, that it has no real relevance to the subject, (and the lack of evidence). If you have a problem with that then we need to sort this out beforehand I'd suggest.

[Kyuuketsuki]

That quote was mine and not dagda's Kyu. Dagda said debate, and you said you had no time. Life overtook you but for a very short time, not enough to prevent you from debating. The question still stands.

No it doesn't, I was replying to Dagda not you and I have explained .. it's done, deal with it.

I showed you why your 'resource bank' would be a problem Kyu. You seem to want to ignore the unfair playing field.

It is patently unfair to ask that I do not use MY OWN resources, that I am prepared and you are supposedly not is not my problem and if you feel it is that unfair that I invite you to decline the debate.

I have another thought. With the title of the debate (god(s), science & evidence), I'm going to have to argue the opposite of course, so you could rightly accuse me of straying from the debate topic. My response would be based around: God (singular), why science is only appropriate in the discussion theoretically, that it has no real relevance to the subject, (and the lack of evidence). If you have a problem with that then we need to sort this out beforehand I'd suggest.

The rules are up (subject to change before acceptance) and there will, I assume, be a referee so if either of us think the other is being unfair then that is the person to whom that point should be made ... I am happy enough to let you choose the person to referee and I will only have a veto, fair enough?

Kyu

[dagda]

'What has crossed my mind several times whilst I've been away, is that very recently you (Kyu) refused to debate dagda saying you had no time due to some personal reasons. Now, only days later, if I'm correct, you are suddenly willing and able to debate me. Dagda did actually have a valid reason for debating you, whereas you and I have no issues we have even begun to discuss with each other. Furthermore, you have vehemently expressed your disdain for me at every opportunity.'

Nothing personal but firstly I did say something to the effect of whether I could be bothered when I returned, secondly I didn't say "debate", thirdly I did start a response and thirdly you have no idea why I was gone (life overtook me).

So no, not very odd ... shit happens.

Don't worry, mate, just winding you up

[fr0d0]

Thanks for the rules Kyu, they look good. I don't see the point in an adversarial contest.

You're going to be speaking about hard scientific fact, and I'm going to be speaking about reasoning that no one will understand without converting to Christianity. Who's gonna score?

Also, If you're going to make it a point scoring system, then it seems doubly unfair that we debate a subject of your choice that you're obviously well practiced in and say that you hold a bank of material in readiness for.

I'd trust Leo to referee if he has the time.

[leo-rcc]

I'd be happy to referee.

[Kyuuketsuki]

I'd be happy to referee.

Thanks Leo ... er ... Frodo? Who mentioned points?

Kyu

[Kyuuketsuki]

So Leo ... since no one appears to have any issues with the debate guidelines (surprised I never got any comments), over to you

Kyu