Did Jesus Even Really Exist?

[Phaedra]

I would not concern much for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth, if it wasn't for the apologists and evangelists going on about "Jesus is the best attested character in history etc".

Also that trashing any historicity for the bible is I believe the only way to ever plant a seed of doubts in the thick skulls of some Christians.

It certainly worked for me

[Minimalist]

Also that trashing any historicity for the bible is I believe the only way to ever plant a seed of doubts in the thick skulls of some Christians.

Some of them are so fucking thick that you can never get through.

[IATIA]

For starters.

Many people shared the name. Christ's given name, commonly Romanized as Yeshua, was quite common in first-century Galilee. (Jesus comes from the transliteration of Yeshua into Greek and then English.) Archaeologists have unearthed the tombs of 71 Yeshuas from the period of Jesus' death. The name also appears 30 times in the Old Testament in reference to four separate characters—including a descendent of Aaron who helped to distribute offerings of grain (2 Chronicles 31:15) and a man who accompanied former captives of Nebuchadnezzar back to Jerusalem (Ezra 2:2).

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I did not answer the poll because it does not have an answer for me. Did jesus exist? Several, as a matter of fact. Did jesus of the bible exist? As it turns out, four of them. (Were they real people? May perhaps. Lot's of stories are written based on real people, then embellished for entertainment's sake.) Was there a god in the body of a man called jesus? I do not care what name they gave him, NO.

[Justtristo]

Also that trashing any historicity for the bible is I believe the only way to ever plant a seed of doubts in the thick skulls of some Christians.

Some of them are so fucking thick that you can never get through.

You cant blame god for trying.

[Faith No More]

Of course he existed. Jesus built my hotrod.

[Minimalist]

The name also appears 30 times in the Old Testament in reference to four separate characters—including a descendent of Aaron who helped to

The name also appears over 20 times in Josephus including this one:

Jewish War, Book VI, 5, 3

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

Consider the questions and actions of Lucceius Albinus, procurator of Judaea from 62-64 BC. How similar to the treatment concocted for Pilate with his so-called "jesus."

[Koldaramor]

nice survey.

Is Jesus lived? imo Maybe jesus lived, perhaps did not live. I dont care. Even if a person known as Jesus lived, very very exaggerated story for sure Jesus has become a mythological hero. There are important The idea of ​​a creative god nonsense. so Moses Jesus Mohammed Buddha, they do not make sense.

[Old Seer]

I wonder how many people here think that the Jesus from the gospels in the bible actually existed in reality?

What do you think? Please explain why/how you came to your conclusion.

Consider that JC would not be recorded in civil history. He wasn't considered a great guy in the eyes of Hebrew authorities. He was seen as a shyster, fraud and hieratic. Also a threat to their authority. Civil leaders don't like competition especially from a no count, low class citizen.
You won't find him in Roman Civil history in Jerusalem either. The only possibility would in the Roman judicial records of his trial if they could be found. In civil history he's not a notable guy. In his own right he's just an average Joe. All that's left is the records of his followers which the truth of their recordings is questioned. Another problem is historical records have to be approved by civil authority, they only record what conforms to their preferences. Other recorders of history aren't normally recognized. There's no apparent reason why his followers would lie, but they are all that's available for analysis.

[Minimalist]

Civil leaders don't like competition especially from a no count, low class citizen.

All the more reason why they should celebrate ridding themselves of such a fucking nuisance.

Yet, even on this count we hear nothing but silence.

The only possibility would in the Roman judicial records of his trial if they could be found.

Of course that assumes that there was such a trial, doesn't it?

[Old Seer]

I wonder how many people here think that the Jesus from the gospels in the bible actually existed in reality?

What do you think? Please explain why/how you came to your conclusion.

Consider that JC would not be recorded in civil history. He wasn't considered a great guy in the eyes of Hebrew authorities. He was seen as a shyster, fraud and hieratic. Also a threat to their authority. Civil leaders don't like competition especially from a no count, low class citizen.
You won't find him in Roman Civil history in Jerusalem either. The only possibility would in the Roman judicial records of his trial if they could be found. In civil history he's not a notable guy. In his own right he's just an average Joe. All that's left is the records of his followers which the truth of their recordings is questioned. Another problem is historical records have to be approved by civil authority, they only record what conforms to their preferences. Other recorders of history aren't normally recognized. There's no apparent reason why his followers would lie, but they are all that's available for analysis.

Experience is one.
It should be considered that the man is very misunderstood. He's being blamed for the actions of those who who misunderstand his mission and are in positions of authority that allow them to do the atrocities. They would do those things whether he existed or not. They claim to act in his name but he is in no way representative of those actions.
Also a consideration should be made that what is considered in the world as Christianity is not. Any doubts that one would have in his regard should be investigated and a comparison made.
He also related to things told in parables that can be taken the wrong way. Of course a parable is a story but one needs to understand him to make an interpretation. The parables lead to many misunderstandings if taken totally
literal.
Do I believe he physically existed-yes. Because I understand the mission. The mission was to bring new understandings so the world could be at peace. About 50 AD Christianity as it was /supposed to be, was lost. It became what the new leaders wanted for their own advantage. The new leaders were authoritarians. Proper Christianity doesn't exist on authority of individuals, it exists on the transfer of a certain knowledge, guidance and example.
Eventually civil governments claimed it and the perversion was complete. In proper understanding of his character he represented a set of characteristics that we all have. We all have human (humane) and animal characteristics. He was representative of only the human side. The world operates on the animal characters which is the reason the world is the way it is. More later --or I will answer questions.