Turkey's role in middle eastern politics

[The Grand Nudger]

A sort of new turkish empire? Yeah, gl with that. Your "brothers" will most likely disappoint you.

Isreal, for the record, was formed from the ashes of WW2, not the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire hadn't existed at all in a little over three decades at that point. It had passed it's prime nearly four hundred years earlier as well.

LOL, hey, btw-
"The rise of nationalism swept through many countries during the 19th century, and it affected territories within the Ottoman Empire. A burgeoning national consciousness, together with a growing sense of ethnic nationalism, made nationalistic thought one of the most significant Western ideas imported to the Ottoman empire."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

[kılıç_mehmet]

A sort of new turkish empire? Yeah, gl with that. Your "brothers" will most likely disappoint you.

It's more likely that we disappoint them, as we did so far.
We have initiated "friendly relations" with Armenia, wheras Karabagh still stands as an open wound in the hearts of many Azerbaijani Turks, have initiated "friendly relations" with Northern Iraq even though we have received reports that birth certificates and other manners of documents relating to the numbers of Iraqi Turkmen were burnt by the peshmerga, and we have initiated "friendly relations" with China, even though we know that China brutally represses the Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other Turks in China, it is a miracle that they still call us brothers, and I know that they do, as I have many friends of other Turk nations, and we have founded a group here in my school that advocates this idea.
It is not a far fetched dream. We need to raise awareness that we are one, and will not sell our souls to no other nation, may they be European, Russian or Chinese.

Isreal, for the record, was formed from the ashes of WW2, not the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire hadn't existed in a little over three decades at that point. It had passed it's prime nearly four hundred years earlier as well.

Well, the British Mandate of Palestine was actually a part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that, it has been ruled by many other Turkish dynasties, dating back to the great Seljuk empire.
The British also had a "jewish brigade" amongst their troops in the middle eastern theatre, and Lloyd George was also a prominent advocate of Zionism, in supplement to his staunch anti-Turkist stance.

"The rise of nationalism swept through many countries during the 19th century, and it affected territories within the Ottoman Empire. A burgeoning national consciousness, together with a growing sense of ethnic nationalism, made nationalistic thought one of the most significant Western ideas imported to the Ottoman empire."

And to note, the Turks of the Ottoman empire were actually the last people to embrace nationalism, whereas any non Turkish nation had decided to fuck over the Turks, despite the common view in Turkey that they were like provoked by other powers.
There was no provocation. Turks never had any other friends but Turks, but our people, in their humanistic delusions believe that.

[reverendjeremiah]

The arabs converted us to Islam, took us as bodyguards for their elite regiments and ghulam squads, and invited us to Anatolia to supplement them in their fight against the Byzantines, and have presented us with the title of Khalif. They should be the last ones to complain.

You don't understand imperialism very well, do you?

He's not very quick on most things. I have found several weaknesses with him.. one of them being nationalism

Let Mehmet pound his chest

[kılıç_mehmet]

The arabs converted us to Islam, took us as bodyguards for their elite regiments and ghulam squads, and invited us to Anatolia to supplement them in their fight against the Byzantines, and have presented us with the title of Khalif. They should be the last ones to complain.

You don't understand imperialism very well, do you?

He's not very quick on most things. I have found several weaknesses with him.. one of them being nationalism

Let Mehmet pound his chest

Since you have such a grand understanding of things, maybe you'd like to explain to me how it relates to imperialism.
People also blame a lot of things on imperialism, whereas it actually is unrelated.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh, you mean that once upon a time, the land that Israel sits on had Turkish squatters? Unsurprising. Again, there was no Ottoman Empire for Israel to rise out of. It had officially ended 30 years prior. You've said that you knew where Turkey had screwed the pooch, with NATO, yes? How about picking the wrong team in WW1, costing you most of your possessions in the Balkans, in the Arabian penisula and the Middle East? Or maybe it was fence sitting during WW2 (except, of course, for the goods sold to the Reich)?

The greatest contribution the area made to humanity happened roughly 8 thousand years ago at Catalhoyuk. Why not romanticize that instead of some pipe dream about a resurgent Ethnic Turkish Empire, or the virtues of an entirely unremarkable warrior culture?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Oh, you mean that once upon a time, the land that Israel sits on had Turkish squatters? Unsurprising. Again, there was no Ottoman Empire for Israel to rise out of. It had officially ended 30 years prior. You've said that you knew where Turkey had screwed the pooch, with NATO, yes? How about picking the wrong team in WW1, costing you most of your possessions in the Balkans, in the Arabian penisula and the Middle East? Or maybe it was fence sitting during WW2 (except, of course, for the goods sold to the Reich)?

Costing us what? The Balkans were gone long before WWI. Russia already had it's eyes on them. And I must say, I'm glad that they're gone.
I don't want to live with more non-Turks than I already have to.
Not that I want to live with arabs either. My point is not that I regret losing the Balkans or the middle east, all empires are doomed to fall.
My point is, that the arabs who have prided themselves on ousting the Turks by collaborating with the enemy, are now plagued by their former allies, and ask the Turks for help, against them. It is as simple as that.

The greatest contribution the area made to humanity happened roughly 8 thousand years ago at Catalhoyuk. Why not romanticize that instead of some pipe dream about a resurgent Ethnic Turkish Empire, or the virtues of an entirely unremarkable warrior culture?

Romanticize what? Non-Turk cultures, unrelated to us whatsoever?
They are long gone...There isn't anything to romanticize about that, unless you're some self-hating anatolianist who never calls him/herself a Turk(and probably is not one)...I however am proud.

[Minimalist]

How exactly is this anyhow related to imperialism?

Ottoman EMPIRE = Imperialism. Here's a hint, the subjects never really like the imperialists.

[The Grand Nudger]

Whatever you might say about Arabs, or other "non-turks" is equally true of turks Mehmet. I shouldn't have to be the person explaining this to you, presumably old enough to know better. You think the arabs are the first people to have colluded at some point in history with those that became their enemies? Are you certain that turkish cultures haven't done exactly the same?

Guess what else is long gone? The Ottoman Empire.

(BTW, have you ever considered how fantastically lucky you are that the US doesn't engage in policy that could be said to align itself with your fanatical nationalism? Maybe we don't want to have to live with a bunch of "Non-Americans", or "Non-whites" here on this rock. We, unlike you, have the weapons necessary to make good on that sort of desire. It only sounds pleasant if you imagine that you'll be part of the "in" crowd.)

[kılıç_mehmet]

How exactly is this anyhow related to imperialism?

Ottoman EMPIRE = Imperialism. Here's a hint, the subjects never really like the imperialists.

Oh. And why wait like for 500 years to oust the imperialists out?
The Ottoman state reached it's peak during the reign of Suleiman the lawgiver(magnificent, as known to frenk nations). The only people who rebelled against the Ottoman state were the Turkmen tribes in anatolia. No single Balkan nation, nor any arabs have revolted against the Ottomans for a long, long, long time.
Maybe this is the reason why they all are always so buttdevastated around us.
Fortunately, we Turks have never been the subject to anyone else but us, and anyone who tried to make subjects of us has learned it the hard way that the tables will turn around very soon, as the many slave dynasties bear witness to that.

Whatever you might say about Arabs, or other "non-turks" is equally true of turks Mehmet. I shouldn't have to be the person explaining this to you, presumably old enough to know better. You think the arabs are the first people to have colluded at some point in history with those that became their enemies? Are you certain that turkish cultures haven't done exactly the same?

Guess what else is long gone? The Ottoman Empire.

And I'm glad. I'm glad that I don't have to share the same soil with Serbians, Albanians and Bosniaks. I'd be more than glad not to share the same soil with Kurds either. Nothing but trouble if you ask me. Ethnically homogenous countries are much more peaceful and focused.

Arabs are not our kin. You can forgive your brother for a transgression that he has done against you. Like I do not bear any ill will towards Azerbaijanis whose ancestors have sided with that lying snake of a man called Shah Ismail, nor towards the Uyghurs and the Oghuz(the majority of Turkey's Turks) for contributing to the collapse of the Gokturk empire.
Arabs, however, are known to boast their religious connection to the prophet, and also claim to be pro-unity amongst muslims. However, it was them that sided with the men they call the infidel against the Khalif, and then, got their prize by being broken into many nations, some ruled by the powers that are the French and English respectively.

Based on that, I have long advocated that we do not make any connnections with the arabs based on our religious affiliations, as the idea of the ummah has clearly failed us on more than one occasion.
However, the idea of Turkish unity has allowed us to beat back the invaders of Turkish homelands and lay the foundations of a nation state called Turkey.
This is the trail that we should pick up.

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps that has something to do with "the imperialists" willingness/eagerness to kill you?

"Look at them cowering, they're speechless with love for us!"

What a fucking joke.