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Prayer
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RE: Prayer
(December 6, 2016 at 6:56 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(December 5, 2016 at 3:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: 1. No, I hope for themselves they find the strength to battle through tough times for their own well being.

2. No. That's why I keep saying we should help if we can along with the praying, not just pray and leave it at that when we can help. I didn't mean someone else do it so I dont, I meant others besides just me do it too.

Way to twist my words and the intention of my post.

That only makes a difference to you. The poor person still gets no help and you get to go on with your cushy middle-class life, without having to face reality, or to contemplate the injustice and inequality present all throughout this world, supposedly created by your omnipotent and benevolent god. And at the same time you get to part-take in the very attractive narrative, of helping other people, fighting evil AND scoring brownie points with your magical pen-pal, simply by making a wish. And if a person you prayed for gets better somehow - you get to feel like the creator of the universe pays attention to what you want, which - I'm sure - is reassuring... If the person doesn't - meh, guess lordy-lord had other plans, no biggie...

Because you have accepted very convenient beliefs: that evil comes from sin, that humans must suffer, due to our mythical ancestors alleged crimes, and that sky-daddy will sort all this out, once the Earth experiment is over, at which point the poor will all get their own wings and harps, as long as they make sure to love Jebus and not take it up the b*tt, or whatever.

I wish I had magical spells, that could make me feel better about myself and the world. Alas - I only have drugs...  Undecided

Are you not reading what I am saying, or are you purposely twisting it for your own benefit of having something to criticize me about?

I said very clearly that simply praying and doing nothing when there is something you can do, is wrong. Us Christians are called to do BOTH. We help in whatever way we can, and then when we are home, we pray. If the person I am praying for is a believer, I tell them I am praying for them so that they may feel comforted, just as I feel comforted when others tell me they are going to pray for me. If the person is not a believers, I don't tell them because there is no point. I'm sorry if what I do in the privacy of my own home bothers you so much, but quite frankly, get over it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Prayer - by Athena777 - December 5, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 5, 2016 at 10:01 am
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Prayer - by Mr Greene - December 5, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 10:17 am
RE: Prayer - by c172 - December 5, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Prayer - by zebo-the-fat - December 5, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 5, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Prayer - by Neo-Scholastic - December 6, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Neo-Scholastic - December 6, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 8, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 8, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 9, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 12, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 12, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: Prayer - by Rhizomorph13 - December 5, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 6, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 12:18 pm
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 5, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 5, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 5, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Prayer - by Thumpalumpacus - December 5, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 5, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by downbeatplumb - December 10, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:19 pm
RE: Prayer - by Ravenshire - December 6, 2016 at 12:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:22 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by chimp3 - December 5, 2016 at 6:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by GUBU - December 6, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Prayer - by GUBU - December 6, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Prayer - by GUBU - December 6, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 3:20 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Prayer - by chimp3 - December 6, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Crossless1 - December 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by Jesster - December 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 4:21 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Joods - December 6, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Prayer - by tigerlove - December 6, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 6, 2016 at 5:24 am
RE: Prayer - by tigerlove - December 6, 2016 at 7:07 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 6, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Prayer - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2016 at 7:27 am
RE: Prayer - by tigerlove - December 6, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 6, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 4:28 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 12:23 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:28 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: Prayer - by GUBU - December 6, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 2:48 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 2:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 6, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by ukatheist - December 6, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 9:34 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:02 pm
RE: Prayer - by Faith No More - December 7, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 7, 2016 at 12:32 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 7, 2016 at 12:22 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 7, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 6, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:58 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 7, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 8, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 10, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 12, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 12, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 12, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: Prayer - by Nay_Sayer - December 12, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 12, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by GUBU - December 12, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 13, 2016 at 4:43 am
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 13, 2016 at 12:38 pm

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