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Good old redneck Tennessee
23rd April 2012, 03:07
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Hey everybody, it looked to me by reading the article that the bill was allowing debate over evolution. since when did debate become a bad thing? Isnt that better than evolution not being allowed to be discussed at all? I agree with voltair that evolution and creationism can be taught together and are not mutually exclusive. Speaking of debate... I believe that one species can indeed evolve within its own species such as a raptor like an eagle can develop better eyesight over a period of time or a tree can develop a resistance to a particular type of insect over time, however i do not believe that one animal can ever turn into another animal. The way i understand evolution is that out of nothing some kind of single celled organisim sprang and then that evolved into a two celled organism then that eventually turned into a fish, the fish turned into a lizard the lizard branched off and turned into a bird and a mammal and then from that we get monkeys and they turned into people. If that is true wouldnt it be possible to take something that already functions such as a wristwatch and send it off to a distant planet that resembles the conditions here on earth and have some kind of mars rover put it in the dirt and over millions of years shouldnt it turn into something? No it will still be a wristwatch in the dirt. The watch is made up of inanimate matter just like the matter that single celled organisms supposedly evolved from but the watch already has moving working parts it just seems very unlikely that life could just come from unorganic matter floating around in the water or soil. Can somebody help me to understand this point of view please? Peace.
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23rd April 2012, 03:27 (This post was last modified: 23rd April 2012 03:27 by Minimalist.)
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Creationism...and its syphilitic younger cousin, intelligent design...are religion. Not science.

If you want to teach religion do so in church and not in our fucking science classes. American kids are in deep enough shit scientifically in comparison to kids in other nations without saddling them with a bunch of ancient superstition for the sole purpose of making morons feel good about themselves.
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23rd April 2012, 03:28 (This post was last modified: 23rd April 2012 03:37 by padraic.)
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Quote:Hey everybody, it looked to me by reading the article that the bill was allowing debate over evolution. since when did debate become a bad thing?
There is not now and nor has there ever been a debate between creationism and evolution. You might just as well still teach the Phlogiston theory,or debate the validity of Newton's laws of motion in high schools..


Evolution is an evidence based scientific theory. (a theory,in scientific terms being an explanation of fact)

Creationism is a religious doctrine unsupported by any credible evidence. The term 'creationist science' has been repeatedly shown be an oxymoron. ID, the dishonest euphemism for creationism is based on the logical fallacy of argument from complexity,aka 'god of the gaps'

I could not care less what personal superstitions people choose to teach their children privately. BUT teaching creationism in public schools is a breach of the principle of the separation of church and state,and a breach of The First Amendment in my opinion.


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Quote:The phlogiston theory (from the Ancient Greek φλογιστόν phlogistón "burning up", from φλόξ phlóx "flame"), first stated in 1667 by Johann Joachim Becher, is an obsolete scientific theory that postulated the existence of a fire-like element called "phlogiston", which was contained within combustible bodies and released during combustion. The theory was an attempt to explain processes of burning such as combustion and the rusting of metals, which are now collectively known as oxidation.


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23rd April 2012, 03:31
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(23rd April 2012 03:07)deciple Wrote:  Speaking of debate... I believe that one species can indeed evolve within its own species such as a raptor like an eagle can develop better eyesight over a period of time or a tree can develop a resistance to a particular type of insect over time, however i do not believe that one animal can ever turn into another animal. The way i understand evolution is that out of nothing some kind of single celled organisim sprang and then that evolved into a two celled organism then that eventually turned into a fish, the fish turned into a lizard the lizard branched off and turned into a bird and a mammal and then from that we get monkeys and they turned into people.

This demonstrates exactly why evolution needs to be taught. It doesn't matter what you believe here; you're just plain factually wrong. There is no debate on this issue. Evolution is a fact; creationism is preaching in a labcoat. That's it.
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23rd April 2012, 03:38
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Quote:however i do not believe that one animal can ever turn into another animal.

Evolution cares less than a shit about your "beliefs."
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23rd April 2012, 23:17
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(12th April 2012 08:54)padraic Wrote:  He fucks his SISTER? What's wrong with the guy,doesn't he have any hogs?

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(23rd April 2012 03:07)deciple Wrote:  If that is true wouldnt it be possible to take something that already functions such as a wristwatch and send it off to a distant planet that resembles the conditions here on earth and have some kind of mars rover put it in the dirt and over millions of years shouldnt it turn into something? No it will still be a wristwatch in the dirt.

If this is what you think evolution is saying, then you need to go back to school and learn about it. The level of ignorance you're displaying here is incredible.

Quote:The watch is made up of inanimate matter just like the matter that single celled organisms supposedly evolved from

Which is a stupid idea, because as we all know, God created man from a pile of dirt. Which makes far more sense.
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23rd April 2012, 23:41
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(23rd April 2012 03:31)Stimbo Wrote:  
(23rd April 2012 03:07)deciple Wrote:  Speaking of debate... I believe that one species can indeed evolve within its own species such as a raptor like an eagle can develop better eyesight over a period of time or a tree can develop a resistance to a particular type of insect over time, however i do not believe that one animal can ever turn into another animal. The way i understand evolution is that out of nothing some kind of single celled organisim sprang and then that evolved into a two celled organism then that eventually turned into a fish, the fish turned into a lizard the lizard branched off and turned into a bird and a mammal and then from that we get monkeys and they turned into people.

This demonstrates exactly why evolution needs to be taught. It doesn't matter what you believe here; you're just plain factually wrong. There is no debate on this issue. Evolution is a fact; creationism is preaching in a labcoat. That's it.

How does this demonstrate why evolution needs to be taught? Isnt what I described evolution in a nutshell? if not where am I wrong? I can see your point that creationism is preaching in a labcoat, however evolution is not a fact. It is a theory.
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23rd April 2012, 23:44
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(12th April 2012 04:45)Voltair Wrote:  I still don't get it, how does creationism conflict with evolution again save the first two chapters of Genesis? How are God and evolution incompatible....

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TWO ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE!!!!

Creation, the YEC variety is most certainly in conflict with evolution as is ID (creationism in a lab coat). OEC isn't exactly in compatible with evolution as much as it is incompatible with at least 15 scientific disciplines.
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23rd April 2012, 23:45
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(23rd April 2012 23:17)Doubting Thomas Wrote:  
(12th April 2012 08:54)padraic Wrote:  He fucks his SISTER? What's wrong with the guy,doesn't he have any hogs?

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(23rd April 2012 03:07)deciple Wrote:  If that is true wouldnt it be possible to take something that already functions such as a wristwatch and send it off to a distant planet that resembles the conditions here on earth and have some kind of mars rover put it in the dirt and over millions of years shouldnt it turn into something? No it will still be a wristwatch in the dirt.

If this is what you think evolution is saying, then you need to go back to school and learn about it. The level of ignorance you're displaying here is incredible.

Quote:The watch is made up of inanimate matter just like the matter that single celled organisms supposedly evolved from

Which is a stupid idea, because as we all know, God created man from a pile of dirt. Which makes far more sense.

So, with due respect how is this ignorance. after all, if im ignorant it just means I dont know right? Educate me, thats why im here. And you deflected my last comment instead of explaining your theory of how single celled organisms came to be from inorganic matter.
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23rd April 2012, 23:50
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(23rd April 2012 03:07)deciple Wrote:  . Can somebody help me to understand this point of view please?
Abiogenesis isn't evolution and since you have such wild beliefs and are wearing god goggles that have apparently been grafted onto your face nobody is going to waste their time explaining abiogenesis to you, at least I won't (and to be brutally frank, I can).
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