Obamacare not affordable

[Zazzy]

It makes perfect sense. Simply avoid broken bones, communicable diseases, mutated tumor suppressor genes, faulty genetics of any kind, and all random accidents and violence, and you'll be golden! No doctors needed. Why didn't anyone think of this before?

[Manowar]

I don't think I am cocky just confident as hell.
Zazzy, Did not read what i write, my way has been working for me about 24 YEARS with zero doctors. i don't even have any medical records. For some odd reason i have been avoiding all of those problems you mention, maybe I am not as stupid as people here think.
Broken bones = be very very careful, Everyone dies, if I had a bad accident I would rather die than hold on to life in a padded wheelchair
communicable diseases= know who you are with, I need to see medical report in my hand
mutated tumor suppressor genes= don't think i have that LOL
faulty genetics of any kind= Same as above I think
random accidents and violence= I wish somone would try I really do.
= no doctors needed
That was not so hard. Of course I am just kidding I am pointing that out because most on this forum won't get my humor
I am just saying no doctors for me, what you do is your business, just don't pick my pocket.

You have to understand that i grew up hard. I worked in construction and once when i had a flu (I had a doctor at that time) I still went to work in the winter building scaffolding, while the wind is blowing. there are no paid vacations or sick days in construction, so for going to a doctor for just about anything is crazy. My friend who used to work in an office would stay home even if he had a light cold. I could not believe this when he told me. I am hard as nials because I grew up that way and happy that i did. By the way I amnot a conservative, i voted for Obama twice, that does not mean I agree with everything he does.


Manowar

manowar

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Yeah i actually believe people should be responsible for their health, you don't that's your problem. People who are bad drivers pay high premiums why shouldn't people who don't look after their health?. Wishing cancer on me because I don't agree with you is what a punk-ass-bitch would say. I know know one thing for sure you would never have the balls to talk like that to my face. you are what i call internet tough guy.

I know the insurance companies are the bad guys but my problem is I don't like paying for something I NEVER use and I don't think i ever will. Paying $5.000 a year with a huge deductable is insane. Sorry.

manowar

You need to unwedge your cranium from your colon, if only for your own sake. I could give you compelling personal testimony of how your stupidity can backfire, but I don't think you'd care. (You can't tell a cocky fucker nuthin'.)

Yeah I would like you to tell me one thing, Why am i wrong to expect people be held accountable for their own health, just tell me straight
up without any crappy remarks.

manowar

[Bad Writer]

We can't say we didn't warn you. Who knows? You might have a genetic disorder, but you'll never know without regular check ups and a doctor's prognosis. By the time you find out it will be too late.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You know what's good about living in Europe?

I don't have to worry how much the doctor is going to charge me for sticking his finger up my ass. Instead I just have to worry about whether or not there's something wrong with me.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just a communist who hates America.

[TaraJo]

I don't think I am cocky just confident as hell.
Zazzy, Did not read what i write, my way has been working for me about 24 YEARS with zero doctors. i don't even have any medical records. For some odd reason i have been avoiding all of those problems you mention, maybe I am not as stupid as people here think.

Lots of people avoid those problems for years and years. The individual mandate is actually in there to protect insurance companies in that they don't want you to do that. Specifically, if everyone can do that and nobody can be denied coverage for pre existing conditions, nobody will bother to get health insurance until they're sick and it will wind up costing them to cover you. Basically, they need to collect money from healthy people so they can afford to cover sick people.

And while it makes business sense, I still think we'd be better off simply eliminating the insurance companies from the equation altogether. But until we switch to single payer, it's the next best idea.

Broken bones = be very very careful, Everyone dies, if I had a bad accident I would rather die than hold on to life in a padded wheelchair
communicable diseases= know who you are with, I need to see medical report in my hand
mutated tumor suppressor genes= don't think i have that LOL
faulty genetics of any kind= Same as above I think

Lol. You don't know how easily you can have some of those things AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT!

About ten or so years ago, if you had asked my mom, she would have told you she doesn't have any of those issues, either. Then her mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. Her grandmother, her moms' mom, also died from breast cancer. So, she saw a pattern, got tested and, sure enough, she has the breast cancer gene.

Know what else? Without bad ol' Obamacare, insurance companies would love to take her premium, month after month after month, and then deny her coverage when the breast cancer gene turns into breast cancer by claiming she had a pre existing condition that she never told them about (or they would tell her that except that she works for Blue Cross/Blue Shield and, therefore, knows how to work the system).

But that's just the stuff you can have and not know it. The unexpected can come up any time. I mean, the law says you have to have insurance to drive a car; they don't say "Ok, you don't need insurance as long as you don't get into any accidents." You get insurance for the unexpected situations, not for the expected ones. Hell, if that was how life worked, I'd wait to get home owners insurance until I figured my house was going to get robbed (in the real world, if you try that, the insurance company is going to suspect fraud right away).

[downbeatplumb]

Why don't you just pay for your heath care with a tax like the rest of the developed world?

We do it in England and a universal Tax is a lot cheaper in the long run to the individual than either private insurance or saving up to get ill.

One thing is certain at some point in your life you are going to need the health service and when that comes the last thing you want is to have to worry about the cost.

NHS for the win.

[Manowar]

I don't think I am cocky just confident as hell.
Zazzy, Did not read what i write, my way has been working for me about 24 YEARS with zero doctors. i don't even have any medical records. For some odd reason i have been avoiding all of those problems you mention, maybe I am not as stupid as people here think.

Lots of people avoid those problems for years and years. The individual mandate is actually in there to protect insurance companies in that they don't want you to do that. Specifically, if everyone can do that and nobody can be denied coverage for pre existing conditions, nobody will bother to get health insurance until they're sick and it will wind up costing them to cover you. Basically, they need to collect money from healthy people so they can afford to cover sick people.

And while it makes business sense, I still think we'd be better off simply eliminating the insurance companies from the equation altogether. But until we switch to single payer, it's the next best idea.

Broken bones = be very very careful, Everyone dies, if I had a bad accident I would rather die than hold on to life in a padded wheelchair
communicable diseases= know who you are with, I need to see medical report in my hand
mutated tumor suppressor genes= don't think i have that LOL
faulty genetics of any kind= Same as above I think

Lol. You don't know how easily you can have some of those things AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT!

About ten or so years ago, if you had asked my mom, she would have told you she doesn't have any of those issues, either. Then her mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. Her grandmother, her moms' mom, also died from breast cancer. So, she saw a pattern, got tested and, sure enough, she has the breast cancer gene.

Know what else? Without bad ol' Obamacare, insurance companies would love to take her premium, month after month after month, and then deny her coverage when the breast cancer gene turns into breast cancer by claiming she had a pre existing condition that she never told them about (or they would tell her that except that she works for Blue Cross/Blue Shield and, therefore, knows how to work the system).

But that's just the stuff you can have and not know it. The unexpected can come up any time. I mean, the law says you have to have insurance to drive a car; they don't say "Ok, you don't need insurance as long as you don't get into any accidents." You get insurance for the unexpected situations, not for the expected ones. Hell, if that was how life worked, I'd wait to get home owners insurance until I figured my house was going to get robbed (in the real world, if you try that, the insurance company is going to suspect fraud right away).

All joking aside I think everyone should be able to get health care even with preexisting conditions, if they choose too but for me 5 grand is a lot not to mention the huge deductable. It's just not worth it, not for me If it was the cost of a cellphone bill like Obama said and apprarently lied then i would say WTF why not even though i never wil go to a doctor. That article in the paper said of a person making 32.000 after premium, deductable and co-pays he would be spending 20% of his income. you thinking is that it is worth it I say it's too much.

manowar

[TaraJo]

All joking aside I think everyone should be able to get health care even with preexisting conditions, if they choose too but for me 5 grand is a lot not to mention the huge deductable. It's just not worth it, not for me If it was the cost of a cellphone bill like Obama said and apprarently lied then i would say WTF why not even though i never wil go to a doctor. That article in the paper said of a person making 32.000 after premium, deductable and co-pays he would be spending 20% of his income. you thinking is that it is worth it I say it's too much.

manowar

That actually sounds more reasonable. If the penalty is less than the health care coverage, I can understand paying it. That being said, there are a couple of other things to watch out for.

1) Check the prices ON THE MARKET PLACE WEBSITE! I can't emphasize this enough. I've heard those stories about people losing insurance and being told to get a new plan that's three times as expensive. I've also heard of those same people going over to the marketplace and finding a plan there that's far less than what their cancelation letter suggested. Truth is, I'm not likely to trust health insurance companies and I'm more than willing to believe that they'll screw over the people they think they can fool.

2) Dependig on your state, they've also expanded medicare/medicaid so it may be easier to qualify for that. Part of the plan is to make sure everyone can have health insurance and if you can't afford it, they help you. The only problem is, the federal government forcibly expanding state medicare is the one part of the bill that the supreme court struck down and the Republican governored states all seem to be dumping it.

[Aractus]

Okay, I do have an opinion on this.

I am strongly in favour of universal healthcare. However, the Fed. govt. of the USA cannot afford it, and I do think it should be instituted at State levels.

With that said I think it's sad and pathetic that a nation such as the USA cannot afford a world-class healthcare system.

[TaraJo]

Okay, I do have an opinion on this.

I am strongly in favour of universal healthcare. However, the Fed. govt. of the USA cannot afford it, and I do think it should be instituted at State levels.

With that said I think it's sad and pathetic that a nation such as the USA cannot afford a world-class healthcare system.

Funny how the government always seems to have issues coming up with money when they're providing health care, schools, roads and food, but they never seem to have trouble coming up with money for guns and prisons.

I think universal health care shouldn't be hard; just cut military spending and roll back the Bush tax cuts and problem solved.