Obamacare not affordable

[Raeven]

Oh and...the Steelers for the Superbowl...really?? Have you seen their record? I'll be attending the Steelers/Packers game later this month; I'm just hoping someone decides to show up to play!

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You may have me confused with the other Raven who hangs around this place... I've no opinion on the Steelers for the Superbowl this year.

[Ryantology]

Maybe he's referring to my signature, which is not to suggest that the Steelers will make it this year (that would require a miracle, pretty much), but rather to point out that they still have more rings than your team does, whatever your team is.

[Jackalope]

I've no opinion on the Steelers for the Superbowl this year.

I do. If they want to go to the Super Bowl, they'll have to buy tickets.

[Ryantology]

I do. If they want to go to the Super Bowl, they'll have to buy tickets.

It's been a topsy-turvy season, filled with highs and lows, ups and downs, amazement and disappointment, a rollercoaster ride which will leave Steelers fans consoling ourselves with the knowledge that there are 32 teams in the NFL and 20 of those teams have as many Super Bowl wins, combined, as our team does.

I think yours might be among them. :p

[earwaxyness]

I give. The Packers can't compare to the awe-inspiring Steelers in Superbowl rings, yet I think we still may have a few things to laud over a few heads. Unfortunately we can't even blame our losses on the absent Aaron Rodgers anymore. We just suck this year.

[Jackalope]

I do. If they want to go to the Super Bowl, they'll have to buy tickets.

It's been a topsy-turvy season, filled with highs and lows, ups and downs, amazement and disappointment, a rollercoaster ride which will leave Steelers fans consoling ourselves with the knowledge that there are 32 teams in the NFL and 20 of those teams have as many Super Bowl wins, combined, as our team does.

I think yours might be among them. :p

You might be right.

Look at it this way - how often do you think I get to talk shit like this?

[TaraJo]

Actually, Obama capitulated on single-payer before they ever got started. The Dems aren't THAT different from the republicunts. It is merely a matter of degree.

That's kinda true. Obama spent a good chunk of his first term trying, desperately to get along with Republicans, even while they made it clear they were going to oppose anything he did on general principal. Healthcare was one of those things. He left the public option off the bill (which I think would have made it really groundbreaking) and didn't even think about a single payer system and he did it because he thought the Republicans wouldn't allow it. Sure enough, they don't care and they're still crying bloody murder.

Not to mention all the times they're about to drive the nation over the fiscal cliff. Obama always wound up blinking first and John Boehner was bragging about how his party got 90-something percent of what they wanted out of the bill... and, unfortunately, what he wanted was to shash social programs, schools, fire departments, police and whatever you do, DON'T RAISE TAXES ON THE MILLIONAIRES.

I don't think Obama is quite so willing to play nice with them now. He actually let them shut down the government for a while and the GOP were the ones who wound up looking bad over it. If todays politicians were fighting over Obamacare, I don't think Obama would have given in quite as easily.

As for the usefulness of Obamacare, that's unquestionable to me. I've seen a lot of shady actions by insurance companies. Specifically, it wasn't uncommon at all for them to take your money for years and years and years and when you actually do get sick with something serious, they turn around and tell you they aren't covering the procedure you need or that they aren't covering you at all anymore because you had some pre-existing condition or something. Part of Obamacare is eliminating that nonsense. They can't refuse to cover most treatments and they can't refuse to cover somenoe (or their treatment) because of a pre-existing condition. In fact, the individual mandate was put in there specifically to protect insurance companies because if they can't deny coverage to people for pre existing conditions, there will probably be a lot of people (especially young people) who aren't going to get any health insurance at all unless and until they actually get sick. The individual mandate is the governmens way of saying "You can't do that."

[Manowar]

Yeah, people who smoke themselves tp death or eat themselves to death, etc should pay very high premiums.

They cost less in the end run due to dying earlier. Not that you could fathom.

I work at my health very seriously, a day does not go by that i don't count my calories and macros. i don't smoke. drink, use drugs, etc so why should i pay for people who don't give a damn? I think i have a fair point.

Ah, I see. The Just World paradigm.

That bad things that happen to others really are their dues... Hm...

if a car hits me then automobile insurance will cover and you think i'm stupid, LOL

... assuming that automotive insurance exists for the driver.

Do me a (dis)favor -- drink a lot of fruit juice. For months on end.

Maybe you'll get pancreatic cancer like Steve Jobs and not bother us anymore.

At least he could demand pretty hardware designs.

Yeah i actually believe people should be responsible for their health, you don't that's your problem. People who are bad drivers pay high premiums why shouldn't people who don't look after their health?. Wishing cancer on me because I don't agree with you is what a punk-ass-bitch would say. I know know one thing for sure you would never have the balls to talk like that to my face. you are what i call internet tough guy.

I know the insurance companies are the bad guys but my problem is I don't like paying for something I NEVER use and I don't think i ever will. Paying $5.000 a year with a huge deductable is insane. Sorry.

manowar

[freedomfromforum]

Do you mean to tell me that something with Obama's name on it is shady?

[Captain Colostomy]

Yeah i actually believe people should be responsible for their health, you don't that's your problem. People who are bad drivers pay high premiums why shouldn't people who don't look after their health?. Wishing cancer on me because I don't agree with you is what a punk-ass-bitch would say. I know know one thing for sure you would never have the balls to talk like that to my face. you are what i call internet tough guy.

I know the insurance companies are the bad guys but my problem is I don't like paying for something I NEVER use and I don't think i ever will. Paying $5.000 a year with a huge deductable is insane. Sorry.

manowar

You need to unwedge your cranium from your colon, if only for your own sake. I could give you compelling personal testimony of how your stupidity can backfire, but I don't think you'd care. (You can't tell a cocky fucker nuthin'.)