The bible and ancient history.

[Cyberman]

You can't stand it when the Bible proves ancient history

I thought the whole point was for it to be the other way round?

[IATIA]

The bible on the other hand is an account, likely a collection or oral tales of the time, that set out to be the truth.

Maybe, but I do not know that for sure. Especially some of the prose. It may be that some were based on oral history and embellished over the years. Supernatural explanations for natural occurrences and the like.

40 years in a desert? The Sahara is 5000km long and at 5 clicks a day, it would only take three years.

Maybe some were fiction and possibly some stories were not. Still, the point was that the babble-book is probably littered with facts, but that would not in and of itself prove any of the stories are real.

[abaris]

Maybe, but I do not know that for sure. Especially some of the prose. It may be that some were based on oral history and embellished over the years. Supernatural explanations for natural occurrences and the like.

40 years in a desert? The Sahara is 5000km long and at 5 clicks a day, it would only take three years.

Maybe some were fiction and possibly some stories were not. Still, the point was that the babble-book is probably littered with facts, but that would not in and of itself prove any of the stories are real.

Simply look at what I said in my previous posts about scientific methods and how to apply them to the bible in this very thread. And you also left out the second part of what I said in my previous post, which was yet another attempt at explaining the difference.

[Minimalist]

You can't stand it when the Bible proves ancient history and for someone who appreciates history like you seem to, should be happy no matter were the facts come from. Also I wasn't referring to the first black pharaoh, the one I'm referring to was possibly the last, He did however help postpone Assyria's attack upon Jerusalem. I just watched a PBS special on the people who are digging up these sites and answering these questions. Nubian's were tired of Egypt's treatment of them and the great warriors Egypt employed from Nubia, turned on them and defeated Egypt.

GC

That's not what you said, shitstain. You said that we didn't even know the names of the kings of the 25th dynasty except for your stupid fucking bible and as I have just shown you are full of shit. As usual.

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I can't remember where I saw it...might have been Hitchens or Harris...but the observation has been made is that bible thumpers doing archaeology are like tourists who go to Paris with a map of London and then, when things don't work well insist that the map is right but the city is laid out wrong.

Actually, that was one of mine, in reference to creationists and kindred biblical literalists. I can now retire happy to be regarded as up there with the Horsemen.
[/smug_mode]

Really?

Well, we go back a long way, don't we?

[Cyberman]

Indeed we do - or indood we de. One of those. Right back to the Evil Bible days, in fact. Though as I recall, it was mein host Picco at CVAtheists who first gave me kudos for my apophthegm.

Gad, we've seen some times, haven't we?

[watchamadoodle]

Probably a person can learn things even from reading propaganda. I've read that citizens of the Soviet Union could often guess the truth by studying the lies in their newspapers.

I don't have the link on this computer, but a bible scholar discovered signs that the book of Samuel was a combination of two sources - one opposed to King David and one supportive of King David (similar to the documentary hypothesis).

Something I remember from when I used to read the bible is the reference to King Og's iron bed. At one time iron more valuable than gold, and it seems that this reference might date from that time.

Even studying myths gives clues about interactions with other cultures that have similar myths. I think it's interesting - like a puzzle to solve.

[abaris]

Probably a person can learn things even from reading propaganda. I've read that citizens of the Soviet Union could often guess the truth by studying the lies in their newspapers.

You can even learn something by analysing a Texas text book. Even they leave clues as to what really happened.

[Cato]

40 years in a desert? The Sahara is 5000km long and at 5 clicks a day, it would only take three years.

I considered this when I was a kid and always had a mental image similar to a Family Circus comic where Billy would meander all over hell and back to go from point A to point B.

[abaris]

I considered this when I was a kid and always had a mental image similar to a Family Circus comic where Billy would meander all over hell and back to go from point A to point B.

Even rabbis nowadays consider it bullshit. It's only the most retarded christians and jews, who think it's literally true.

One only has to look at a map to get the joke.

When I was a child however, I always thought, god fed them this, which is a tasty treat from my home.

[Godscreated]

. . . . and the Museum of Egypt still has no names for any of the 25th dynasty.

Is it true that the Museum of Egypt does not know the names for any pharoahs of the 25th dynasty ? Minimalist says not true. Who should I believe ? (short of calling the museum itself)

Regards

Grimesy

They know they just don't put them up with the rest, trust neither of us call the museum.

GC