Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
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 (September 7, 2011 at 3:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Mormonism and Islam are runners up eh? An ecclectic mix of also rans. They are fairly easy to deal with yes, however your atheism is still irrational because you take the following position... "Well I have narrowed the correct answer down to one of these three but I can't decide which of these three so I am going to pick none of the above!" <===== IRRATIONAL ATHEIST RESPONSE
You've misrepresented my position.
Which would be more accurately described as "None of the above".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
September 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(September 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Easily explained ad hoc, easily handwaved, easily translated away. Rgr. Even easily ignored. You guys always talk a good game but I have never seen an atheist present an actual logical contradiction (X and not X in the same relationship and at the same time) in the Bible. It's all just blowing smoke. (September 7, 2011 at 3:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You've misrepresented my position. I accurately represented it as irrational. You cannot account for the preconditions of intelligibility given your position, yet you believe knowledge is possible so your position is false. RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
September 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2011 at 3:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Firstly, I don't have to prove your bible false, you have to prove it to be true. You know that. Secondly, whether your representation is rational appears very much to be your own opinion, as I have heard no reasonable argument from you whatsoever (and that's in the entire time I've been here).
Actually, since we're sharing, your interpretation of the bible makes ME want to defend christianity against you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(September 7, 2011 at 3:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Firstly, I don't have to prove your bible false, you have to prove it to be true. You know that. Secondly, whether your representation is rational appears very much to be your own opinion, as I have heard no reasonable argument from you whatsoever (and that's in the entire time I've been here). Again, just more smoke. I just assumed that when you guys assert that scripture contains logical contradictions you would actually demonstrate this, but alas I am disappointed again. I have already demonstrated that scripture can account for the preconditions of intelligibility. You have demonstrated that you believe knowledge is possible but you cannot account for the preconditions that make it possible given your worldview, so your worldview is irrational unless you can give account. The fact that the Christian worldview is the only worldview that could make knowledge possible is proof that it is true, so I have done what you asked me to do. P1 If knowledge is possible, scripture is necessarily true P2 Knowledge is possible C1 Therefore scripture is necessarily true. The above is a valid syllogism and I have demonstrated that both premises are in fact true; therefore the conclusion is also true. If you feel I have taken a misstep here please demonstrate how so or my argument stands un-refuted.
P1 If knowledge is possible, Havamal is necessarily true
P2 Knowledge is possible C1 Therefore Havamal is necessarily true. The above is a valid syllogism and I have demonstrated that both premises are in fact true; therefore the conclusion is also true. If you feel I have taken a misstep here please demonstrate how so or my argument stands un-refuted.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
September 7, 2011 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2011 at 4:33 pm by DeistPaladin.)
1. If the Earth orbits the sun, I must necessarily have $1 million in the bank.
2. The Earth orbits the sun 3. Therefore, I have $1 million in the bank. Yea! Boy non sequiturs are fun. (September 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You guys always talk a good game but I have never seen an atheist present an actual logical contradiction (X and not X in the same relationship and at the same time) in the Bible. It's all just blowing smoke. Would everyone please turn to page 1 of the Bible? Now tell me if Yahweh created man before plants and animals or afterwords?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
Son of a bitch, I get dusty old quotes and you get a million dollars. This is bullshit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (September 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: P1 If knowledge is possible, scripture is necessarily true I just can't believe you said this. I had a genuine lol. Cunt
 (September 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: P1 If knowledge is possible, scripture is necessarily true Despite what you may think, you have not demonstrated P1 to be true. You haven't demonstrated P2 either, but I think we can take that one as axiomatic. Quote:...the Christian worldview is the only worldview that could make knowledge possible is proof that it is true... Is a wholly unsupported assertion and in no way supports your claim that P1 is true. Try again. |
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