(July 30, 2015 at 12:05 am)Shinagami Wrote: What's going on in western Europe is frightening. Their Muslim problem is way out of hand and nobody is brave enough to deal with it.

This appears to be media hype. Talking as someone who lives in western Europe that is.

(July 30, 2015 at 2:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 30, 2015 at 12:05 am)Shinagami Wrote: What's going on in western Europe is frightening. Their Muslim problem is way out of hand and nobody is brave enough to deal with it.

This appears to be media hype. Talking as someone who lives in western Europe that is.

What's media hype? Charlie Hebdo? The Rotheram scandal? Copenhagen? Muslim men being behind nearly all rapes in Norway and Sweden? Jews being afraid to live in their own country? There is no media hype. There's a serious problem.

It's people who deny this religion is a problem who are opening the door for the countries of Western Europe to go the same way as Lebanon did. You have to defend secular values when this stuff happens, people need to be bolder and less apologetic about it. We'll regret it in the future if we don't.

(July 31, 2015 at 10:16 am)Shinagami Wrote:

(July 30, 2015 at 2:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: This appears to be media hype. Talking as someone who lives in western Europe that is.

What's media hype? Charlie Hebdo? The Rotheram scandal? Copenhagen? Muslim men being behind nearly all rapes in Norway and Sweden? Jews being afraid to live in their own country? There is no media hype. There's a serious problem.

I imagine you are an American and so are brought up to be overly fearful, it seems to be a crude means of control.
The truth is you have been told "over there be scary monsters" so act as you are supposed to.

The truth is Islam is not as big a problem over here as you imagine, it isn't not a problem, but it has been over egged by the media who want to tell a particular story.

Sounds as if your cops are as stupid as our cops are brutal.

Idiots.

(July 31, 2015 at 12:26 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 31, 2015 at 10:16 am)Shinagami Wrote: What's media hype? Charlie Hebdo? The Rotheram scandal? Copenhagen? Muslim men being behind nearly all rapes in Norway and Sweden? Jews being afraid to live in their own country? There is no media hype. There's a serious problem.

I imagine you are an American and so are brought up to be overly fearful, it seems to be a crude means of control.
The truth is you have been told "over there be scary monsters" so act as you are supposed to.

The truth is Islam is not as big a problem over here as you imagine, it isn't not a problem, but it has been over egged by the media who want to tell a particular story.

How do you know what I've been told?

Charles Martel is spinning in his grave.

(July 31, 2015 at 7:02 pm)Shinagami Wrote:

(July 31, 2015 at 12:26 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I imagine you are an American and so are brought up to be overly fearful, it seems to be a crude means of control.
The truth is you have been told "over there be scary monsters" so act as you are supposed to.

The truth is Islam is not as big a problem over here as you imagine, it isn't not a problem, but it has been over egged by the media who want to tell a particular story.

How do you know what I've been told?

By what you've been saying based on what you've been told.

What I've been told is that Islam is a Religion of Peace and that it's just a tiny minority who commit violent acts. I reached the opposite conclusion by being aware of reality.

(August 1, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Shinagami Wrote: What I've been told is that Islam is a Religion of Peace and that it's just a tiny minority who commit violent acts. I reached the opposite conclusion by being aware of reality.

While the above poster may be from western Europe and have a different experience than us, Shinigami, I do still agree with your opinion. I have a lot of friends that visit or live in many different places in Europe, and they seem to have the same opinion. However, they did grow up American, so there is a potential for bias there. I also ask if downbeatplumb has considered his own potential bias, or the bias imposed by his country as well. I'm not saying that he hasn't, since I don't actually know him, but it is always good to consider all possibilities.