(August 10, 2015 at 6:29 am)robvalue Wrote: Still not using the correct definition of atheism. This is a bold level of dishonesty. You're on an atheist forum, you think we're not going to notice?
People with solid arguments don't need to misrepresent their opponent's position to make their case.

The term "atheism" originated from the Greek ἄθεος (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", ...........
.as i write on page 1.
Well, well Rob, can't you work out a consensus with those who don't agree with your view so we all know
the real meaning of atheism?  

(August 11, 2015 at 8:32 am)Iroscato Wrote: Rik, how do you explain people who suffer brain damage, strokes, or have a lobotomy and are fundamentally changed by the damage to their brains? If we are more than just our brains, why is it that people who undergo such procedures often emerge as quite different people?

Interesting question just for a change.
It is all about the karma law.
Suppose you have to pay for something bad that you did in the past life.
The karma knock you down with physical problems or any sort of problems.
Once you pay for your previous mistakes you will feel a lot better in your consciousness so you will
show that you change.
Your attitude to life will be different.
This doesn't mean that also your body will be better.
In fact problems can even knock you down and kill.
But who kill after all?
They only kill your body not you so you will be better off in the next life with better body and better expanded consciousness. 

(August 10, 2015 at 9:10 am)robvalue Wrote: It really is a shame, because we have a wealth of educated and intelligent people here, covering many fields, from which someone could learn an awful lot. But someone who has made up their mind about everything can learn nothing.

Cue tu-quoque strawman...

That is very interesting Rob.
With all these educated and intelligent people there shouldn't be any trouble to find someone who can
tell me the meaning of philosophy and show me that man is omnivore by nature as indicated to me by 
so many guys in this forum.
Little Rik is very very patient Rob.
I can wait until Christmas for your educated people to show up and tell me these things. 

What exactly are you trying to prove/show Rik?

(August 11, 2015 at 9:00 am)pool Wrote: What exactly are you trying to prove/show Rik?

I know! I know!

(August 10, 2015 at 10:11 am)Stimbo Wrote: I know I'm going to regret this but I can't let it go without comment:

(August 9, 2015 at 9:22 am)Little Rik Wrote: Energy and consciousness always go hand in hand like the pages in sheet of paper.
Rocks got energy within so there got to be consciousness in it.

You like to talk cars, so let's go with that. Internal combustion engines work by energy exchange, from chemical to mechanical via heat, with sound and light (within the piston chamber) and excess heat produced as waste. Your equation that energy always equals consciousness must mean that car engines are alive, in the sentient sense. Or take the braking system: mechanical energy applies frictional energy to the discs, generating heat and, in many cases, sound. Are brakes aware? Maybe that's why brakes squeal, because every time you touch that pedal it hurts them.

Or maybe we can drop the childish game of "consciousness is energy, therefore energy is consciousness, therefore everything containing energy must be conscious."

Sorry mate ehm sorry Stim.
I think it is clear that you are not following what i am saying.
A rock does have consciousness but as i said or as yoga say this consciousness is in a latent state or dormant state.
A car being made of matter is in a similar situation.
It just can not act on his own despite there is consciousness in it therefore it can not function without a driver.
Is true that everything even a rock has got consciousness but as far as this consciousness is in a latent state
it is obvious that it can not express itself.
We got evolution to give the possibility for a latent consciousness to become aware of his power.
You will be surprise mate when one auspicious day you will realize that you are God. 

(August 11, 2015 at 8:43 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(August 11, 2015 at 8:32 am)Iroscato Wrote: Rik, how do you explain people who suffer brain damage, strokes, or have a lobotomy and are fundamentally changed by the damage to their brains? If we are more than just our brains, why is it that people who undergo such procedures often emerge as quite different people?

Interesting question just for a change.
It is all about the karma law.
Suppose you have to pay for something bad that you did in the past life.
The karma knock you down with physical problems or any sort of problems.
Once you pay for your previous mistakes you will feel a lot better in your consciousness so you will
show that you change.
Your attitude to life will be different.
This doesn't mean that also your body will be better.
In fact problems can even knock you down and kill.
But who kill after all?
They only kill your body not you so you will be better off in the next life with better body and better expanded consciousness. 

Right...karma.

And what if a person who has done nothing but good their entire life gets struck down with a stroke or similar? What about people like my grandmother, who raised 4 kids on a shoestring budget, worked herself into exhaustion for years on end just so her family could eat, helped out in various charities and volunteered at a school in what little spare time she had, has helped her friends, family and neighbours whenever they needed her, and is probably the most wonderful person I've ever met? Did she deserve to suffer a stroke a few years ago after a lifetime of doing nothing but giving everything she could to others?

(August 10, 2015 at 9:13 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(August 10, 2015 at 3:24 am)Little Rik Wrote: You are very funny Snake.
Evaporation is a temporary brake for the water to end up in the ocean.
Sooner or later the clouds will piss down again and guess what?
That water that evaporate and form the clouds will at the end end up in the ocean anyway.
The same thing will happen for your river.
In part the water evaporate, in part may well sink down under the ground and end up in the ocean
anyway so where is your evidence that not all the time water end up in the ocean?
By the way you well may keep that liar for yourself.
Have a good day Snake. 

And now you:

Your dishonesty is showing again.

I've noticed that, like water off a ducks back, knowledge simply rolls off you.

Yeah.      

(August 11, 2015 at 9:10 am)Iroscato Wrote:

(August 11, 2015 at 8:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: Interesting question just for a change.
It is all about the karma law.
Suppose you have to pay for something bad that you did in the past life.
The karma knock you down with physical problems or any sort of problems.
Once you pay for your previous mistakes you will feel a lot better in your consciousness so you will
show that you change.
Your attitude to life will be different.
This doesn't mean that also your body will be better.
In fact problems can even knock you down and kill.
But who kill after all?
They only kill your body not you so you will be better off in the next life with better body and better expanded consciousness. 

Right...karma.

And what if a person who has done nothing but good their entire life gets struck down with a stroke or similar? What about people like my grandmother, who raised 4 kids on a shoestring budget, worked herself into exhaustion for years on end just so her family could eat, helped out in various charities and volunteered at a school in what little spare time she had, has helped her friends, family and neighbours whenever they needed her, and is probably the most wonderful person I've ever met? Did she deserve to suffer a stroke a few years ago after a lifetime of doing nothing but giving everything she could to others?

Oh, that's the result of karma from a previous life. All karmic seeds must bear fruit, you see, which is why your grandmother was born in the first place; there were still karmic seeds left over after the last time she died, so she had to be born again so they could come to fruition. Even if she's a really good person, she could still suffer the results of karma from past lives.

Enlightenment woo ain't nothin' ta fuck with   

(August 11, 2015 at 9:16 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(August 11, 2015 at 9:10 am)Iroscato Wrote: Right...karma.

And what if a person who has done nothing but good their entire life gets struck down with a stroke or similar? What about people like my grandmother, who raised 4 kids on a shoestring budget, worked herself into exhaustion for years on end just so her family could eat, helped out in various charities and volunteered at a school in what little spare time she had, has helped her friends, family and neighbours whenever they needed her, and is probably the most wonderful person I've ever met? Did she deserve to suffer a stroke a few years ago after a lifetime of doing nothing but giving everything she could to others?

Oh, that's the result of karma from a previous life. All karmic seeds must bear fruit, you see, which is why your grandmother was born in the first place; there were still karmic seeds left over after the last time she died, so she had to be born again so they could come to fruition. Even if she's a really good person, she could still suffer the results of karma from past lives.

Enlightenment woo ain't nothin' ta fuck with   

This is every bit as fucked up as a hellfire-preaching pastor.