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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 3:29 pm
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(August 15, 2015 at 3:24 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 10:45 am)Neimenovic Wrote: ...I read up about it, and I still don't understand why these qualities must necessarily be true of the first cause. Then you didn't really read it or you'd be asking better questions.
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I did read it, and I don't see why it must follow. Is it impossible for the universe to be created by a first cause not possessing these qualities? Because if no, that's a non sequitur.
Look, I'm not shitting you, I'm trying to understand it. But you're doing a lot of hand waving and linking to other posts. Can you please explain it like you would to someone who doesn't speak English as a first language? ._.
eta: ok, upon reading about all 5 ways, I'm confused as to why you would even take it seriously. The first three and the last one are just common theist arguments and likewise fallacious, and the fourth one is absolutely nonsensical. Nothing follows.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 3:41 pm
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(August 15, 2015 at 10:11 am)Neimenovic Wrote: How do you figure it's conscious? Why did it need to be 'one and intelligible'? Because humans love to create gods in our image. Oh, and the Bible say so. So that settles it. "God" must be very much like a human mind or consciousness like human consciousness. Like humans in what way? Can't say. 
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 5:19 pm
Chad, will you please answer a question for once? Your deflections are annoying as hell. Seriously dude, a straight answer.
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.
Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.
Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.
Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.
Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 5:55 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Chad, will you please answer a question for once? Your deflections are annoying as hell. Seriously dude, a straight answer.
He can't. No religious person can. That's why they're so laughable.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Cephus Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Chad, will you please answer a question for once? Your deflections are annoying as hell. Seriously dude, a straight answer.
He can't. No religious person can. That's why they're so laughable.
And we're the evil ones, going straight to H, E, double toothpicks.
Uh huh.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm
The thing is I have done this many times, in various threads.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The thing is I have done this many times, in various threads. I hear you, bro.
BTW please PM me a thread link for why God would send a book like to Koran.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 12:40 am
You op presupposes a time line.
If God is infinite how then can we apply Him to a measure that has a beginning and end?
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 3:22 am
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(August 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The thing is I have done this many times, in various threads.
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Can you LINK to a thread like that?
And why is it such a problem to do it again in this thread anyway?
Jesus fuck, come on guys. This all seems like dodging -_-
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 16, 2015 at 3:25 am
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(August 16, 2015 at 12:40 am)Drich Wrote: You op presupposes a time line.
If God is infinite how then can we apply Him to a measure that has a beginning and end?
No, I think you misunderstand. It's not applied to god itself, but your reasoning.
I'm asking the question with the cosmological argument in mind, which argues for a first cause. I'd like to know why this first cause is your personal god. IOW, what line of reasoning led you to that conclusion?
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