Why do you have a problem with "if he existed"? That seems to be the most honest stance to have. You say Rob has an issue with deciding, as if Rob's deciding will have any bearing on Jesus' existence.

Speculating on his existence can be pretty interesting, but that's all it is. Nothing hinges on his having existed. If he didn't, oh well. If he did...oh. Let's say you, Randy, find indisputable proof (not what you have now- very disputable) that he lived. What have you won? Nothing. What else would that prove? Nothing.

You have taken on the impossible task of arguing for the possibility of a resurrection, something we know humans can't do. Something that has never been witnessed, and, even if it was seen, couldn't be explained nor predicted.

Why can't you realize the disconnect? That what you're arguing for is a medical impossibility? You've never seen it and you've never seen anything to hint that it is possible, yet you believe it for no reason.

I don't want to assume too much about you, but, as it appears, your argument for the possibility of a human coming back to life after being murdered must be paper thin, given how much you like to talk, yet we never get out of the gate. It seems like you're hoping that convincing, not proving to, people of his human life will be enough for them to make the leap to believing in a resurrection.

Here you go, Randy.




Here's a new avatar for you to use.

(August 16, 2015 at 2:28 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(August 16, 2015 at 2:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Of course. Things are getting better every day now that atheists have decided to speak out.

They sure are. At least - christians can't legally torture and burn people, who disagree with them anymore.

Yeah, all these new-fangled ideas watering down the true gospel.

I can't remember the last time I went to a good heretic burning...of course, neither can anyone else in the last, oh, I dunno, four hundred years or so.

In an ironic twist of history, however, gay atheists can now legally punish people (bakers and florists and others) who refuse to participate in their pagan wedding celebrations.

(August 16, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: [...]
I can't remember the last time I went to a good heretic burning...of course, neither can anyone else in the last, oh, I dunno, four hundred years or so.
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Oh, really? Heard of a religious organization called ISIS? Or do you not get news in your a*se, where your head firmly resides?

Well - feast your eyes, then.


Sadly - atheists still don't have enough say in many parts of the world...

(August 16, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Exian Wrote: Why do you have a problem with "if he existed"? That seems to be the most honest stance to have. You say Rob has an issue with deciding, as if Rob's deciding will have any bearing on Jesus' existence.

Speculating on his existence can be pretty interesting, but that's all it is. Nothing hinges on his having existed. If he didn't, oh well. If he did...oh. Let's say you, Randy, find indisputable proof (not what you have now- very disputable) that he lived. What have you won? Nothing. What else would that prove? Nothing.

You have taken on the impossible task of arguing for the possibility of a resurrection, something we know humans can't do. Something that has never been witnessed, and, even if it was seen, couldn't be explained nor predicted.

Why can't you realize the disconnect? That what you're arguing for is a medical impossibility? You've never seen it and you've never seen anything to hint that it is possible, yet you believe it for no reason.

I don't want to assume too much about you, but, as it appears, your argument for the possibility of a human coming back to life after being murdered must be paper thin, given how much you like to talk, yet we never get out of the gate. It seems like you're hoping that convincing, not proving to, people of his human life will be enough for them to make the leap to believing in a resurrection.

Oh, no, Exian. I'm not expecting anything so grand as that. It's all uphill, one step at a time for me.

The Conspiracy Theory is just one attempt made by skeptics to explain the events recorded in the Gospels. There are others, and they all have weaknesses. In the end, you pick the one that makes the most sense to you. But not everyone here is working with a full data set, so I'm just trying to lay out the evidence and arguments as best I can so they can make an informed decision.

As for the resurrection being something that humans can't do or a "medical impossibility"...yeah, that's true. But if a God exists, it would be a breeze.

So if it really happened, what does that tell about Jesus or about the existence of God?

But let's not put the cart before the horse...

(August 16, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(August 16, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: [...]
I can't remember the last time I went to a good heretic burning...of course, neither can anyone else in the last, oh, I dunno, four hundred years or so.
[...]

Oh, really? Heard of a religious organization called ISIS? Or do you not get news in your a*se, where your head firmly resides?

Well - feast your eyes, then.

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Sadly - atheists still don't have enough say in many parts of the world...

Silly me...I thought you were speaking to me as a Christian...

Yeah, good luck to you atheists and homosexuals in the Middle East.

(August 16, 2015 at 2:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Here you go, Randy.




Here's a new avatar for you to use.

Why, thank you, Min.

Now, whenever I take my dogs for a walk, I will be reminded of you.

Yeah, I've heard this "cart before the horse" bit before concerning Jesus' existence and the resurrection. The problem is the cart is more like a train, and the horse is an invisible pink unicorn.

(August 16, 2015 at 3:08 pm)Exian Wrote: Yeah, I've heard this "cart before the horse" bit before concerning Jesus' existence and the resurrection. The problem is the cart is more like a train, and the horse is an invisible pink unicorn.

Did Jesus exist or not?

If I say yes, will you bring somebody back from the dead?