RE: DEBUNKING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY
August 19, 2015 at 3:14 am
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2015 at 3:22 am by robvalue.)
(August 18, 2015 at 11:46 am)Exian Wrote: So, Rob wasn't raised a Christian nor an atheist, but came to his conclusions on his own. But he needs to get over his...presuppositions?
*meme where it says "I don't think that word means what you think it means." with probably a minion or Inigo Montoya*
I have no idea what presuppositions I'm supposed to have. I don't even presuppose that any of this is real, I simply assume it for convenience. I fully admit to the limitations of my senses, and that I could be wrong about everything. All I can do is make minimal pragmatic assumptions, and use logic as much as possible. What else can I do? The fact that I could be wrong does not mean I am wrong, and it doesn't mean everyone is free to tell me what to believe because it "might be right". That's just impossible, I can't become convinced of something unless it is convincing. It's a bitch, huh?
Not being indoctrinated with religion is not the same as being indoctrinated that religion is "wrong". No such thing happened. How can being told nothing about it at all be giving me presuppositions? Being religious is not the default, it is taught.
I encountered it for the first time when I was 5, at school. They preached at me as if it was true, plain indoctrination style. I thought they were crazy. If they had shown me any evidence that they were believing something that was actually true, I'd have believed too... at least believed that there was something to believe in. But they didn't, and no one ever has.
So what exactly is my presupposition? My insistence on only believing things for good reason? My ability to spot fallacious reasoning? I've told Randy repeatedly that Christianity is vile and I want nothing to do with it even if everything about it is true as described by most people. I don't think this is something he can accept. This should be evidence that I'm not reasoning emotionally, because I don't care if Christianity is true or not. It makes no practical difference to me at all.
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