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Dear Resident Theists
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#251
RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 10:30 am
(August 29, 2015 at 10:28 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(August 29, 2015 at 3:37 am)Neimenovic Wrote: This all is just fun, though. Play pretend. Ain't nobody gonna a priori nothing into existence. Shit just don't work that way.

I'd like to hear you try to prove that assertion without referencing some a priori principle.

Would you like to hear why Bigfoot must exist? I can prove he exists without any tangible evidence, by using half assed arguments. That makes him real.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 11:57 am (This post was last modified: August 29, 2015 at 12:00 pm by Pizza.)
@ Theists
Are you arguing for something very much like a human or kind of, sort of like a human but not very much?
Merely arguing against atheism isn't enough, since the point of this thread was to show how you get from mere theism to religious theism. Better yet, how do you get from "kind of, sort of like a human but not very much" to "very much like a human?"

What are you theists arguing for? If not an anthropomorphic god then what? If god is indefinable or an indefinable "intelligence" then I don't see how arguments are helpful.
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#253
RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 12:57 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 12:51 am)Ronkonkoma Wrote: The following is a list of improbable conditions and the respective probability of their optimization to support life on our blue planet:




Thus, less than 1 chance in 10282(million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion) exists that even one such life-support body would occur anywhere in the universe.

Your list also happens to be a list of the conditions as we already find them. Since we are aware enough to ask the question we should also be aware enough to realize that whatever conditions may have been necessary have already obtained. We are examining not the lottery itself, but just the winning ticket. We are no closer to knowing if the winning ticket we hold came to us by chance or by the guiding hand of a galactic dictator.
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 1:01 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 3:34 am)ignoramus Wrote: Common sense tells me that "we" are proof that life exists on "other" planets.
Common sense also tells me that the perceived universe was NOT created for our amusement and that we are not the centre of it!

Find your pet god somewhere else, he ain't here, stop looking, stop trying to justify his existence with even more absurd supernatural claims ...
It just makes you look like ignoramuses!


And we prefer the one we already have!
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 1:05 pm
(August 29, 2015 at 10:28 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(August 29, 2015 at 3:37 am)Neimenovic Wrote: This all is just fun, though. Play pretend. Ain't nobody gonna a priori nothing into existence. Shit just don't work that way.

I'd like to hear you try to prove that assertion without referencing some a priori principle.


And no appeals to common sense either or inductive reasoning.  Always keep in mind that all of ones experience up to this very moment may have been the deceit of a great deceiver who would like nothing more than for you turn your back on nutty possibilities.  You're better than that.
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#256
RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 11:11 pm (This post was last modified: August 29, 2015 at 11:11 pm by Ronkonkoma.)
(August 29, 2015 at 3:03 am)Lucanus Wrote:
(August 29, 2015 at 12:51 am)Ronkonkoma Wrote:


Do you have a source or did you just pull all of this straight out of your ass? And, as Rob said, even if all this is true, it's a pretty big non-sequitur to say "thing is unlikely, therefore its cause is supernatural"
If you read carefully what I said, I didn't just say it must be supernatural because it is unlikely.

That is what you're used to hearing, but I didn't say it. I said something else.

here are my sources:



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(August 29, 2015 at 11:11 pm)Ronkonkoma Wrote: [...]here are my sources:


Bullsh*t.

No - these are NOT your sources. You've never even seen any of those publications. You just copied and pasted an old article by a creationist nut-job - Hugh Ross, as well as its list of dubious references. 
http://www.reasons.org/articles/probabil...h-apr-2004

Are you stupid, or do you just  think we are? 

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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 29, 2015 at 11:42 pm
^ Tedious. I suspect Lucanus meant a source for the list itself and its bibliography, unless you actually did all the research yourself. In which case, kudos to you. Kudos I say.
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OK Ronko, so you were just telling us some probabilities? How is it relevant to the discussion?
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RE: Dear Resident Theists
August 30, 2015 at 1:47 am
(August 29, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(August 29, 2015 at 11:11 pm)Ronkonkoma Wrote: [...]here are my sources:


Bullsh*t.

No - these are NOT your sources. You've never even seen any of those publications. You just copied and pasted an old article by a creationist nut-job - Hugh Ross, as well as its list of dubious references. 
http://www.reasons.org/articles/probabil...h-apr-2004

Are you stupid, or do you just  think we are? 

/smh

I think you are.
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