(September 4, 2015 at 10:24 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

CapnAwesome Wrote:Then it should be easy for you to come up with an example of a prominent right-wing politician calling all muslims terrorists. George Bush actually said the exact opposite and called Islam a religion of peace. A totally ridiculous and stupid statement if there ever was one.

It didn't take you very long to go from 'no one, ever' to 'prominant right-wing politician'. You're going to give people whiplash if you keep that up.

Well, do you have a quote from anyone saying it, or not?

(September 3, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Shuffle Wrote: I love it when people I am having a discussion with just leave without warning. It is a really cool thing to do.

Believe it or not people have lives outside of this forum.

Shuffle Wrote:

Cato Wrote:I was only dismantling the 99% claim. Your additional figures bury it.

If Shuffle's argument then becomes that most terrorism in predominantly Muslim countries are committed mostly by Muslims, then we have a true master of the obvious.

I'd like to see how the figures change if we add American drone strikes to the tally.

Take a look through this list, and try to find a non muslim. It is a little game a like to play, which I have called, "Find That Non-Muslim." I haven't won yet.

January 13, Donetsk People's Republic, Ukrainian Christian Orthodox. Just the first one I came across (and it's very debatable whether the list is properly distinguishing terrorist attacks...what does it take to get Mexican drug cartels classified as terrorist groups? They've done in around 13,000 civilians and police so far this year). You're not very good at the liittle game you like to play, are you?

(September 4, 2015 at 10:24 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

CapnAwesome Wrote:Then it should be easy for you to come up with an example of a prominent right-wing politician calling all muslims terrorists. George Bush actually said the exact opposite and called Islam a religion of peace. A totally ridiculous and stupid statement if there ever was one.

It didn't take you very long to go from 'no one, ever' to 'prominant right-wing politician'. You're going to give people whiplash if you keep that up.

I was replying to someone who literally said lots of prominent right wing people say that. I still say no one has ever said all Muslims are terrorists.

Napoléon Wrote:

Shuffle Wrote:Exactly, it doesn't matter why the muslims are doing it, it just matters that they are doing it, and they are doing it at an exaggerated degree more compared to the other major faiths.

It does matter, but I think the question is are they doing it because of their religion or in spite of it? For other reasons? For me it's the former. There are obviously other factors that contribute, I don't ignore them. The middle east for example has been a shithole since the dawn of time, ISIS have very good recruitment tactics etc. But Islam is the main justification and at the heart of these factors. Lots of other things are factors too ofcourse, politics for example. But there's only really one religion you keep hearing about in the news that's causing attack after attack after attack. Problem after problem after problem.

Bringing this back to the OP, is it then unreasonable for people to have a level of prejudice against muslims? To be fearful of them? I don't think so. I don't think prejudices are rational ofcourse, but I don't think they're always unreasonable. But then on the flip side no one has, to my knowledge, ever said 'all muslims are terrorists'. And this is an argument that does come up quite a bit. What people tend to be is just fearful in general (or weary, I don't like the word 'fearful' in this context, kind of like how people say "Islamophobia", umm, I don't think anyone screams at the sight of a muslim, unless ofcourse they board your train with an AK-47).

If Islam (or some other new religion) hadn't come along, the region would be largely Orthodox Christian. It would still be tribal, the women would still be covering their heads. If their political history remained roughly the same (we still deposed the Shah's predecessor, we still supported the rural tribes against the Soviets in Afghanistan, we still deposed the secular strongman ruling Iraq, etc.), you think we wouldn't be having these problems if the region were predominantly Christian?

CapnAwesome Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:It didn't take you very long to go from 'no one, ever' to 'prominant right-wing politician'. You're going to give people whiplash if you keep that up.

I still say no one has ever said all Muslims are terrorists.

Then you are willfully ignorant.

(September 4, 2015 at 11:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

CapnAwesome Wrote:I still say no one has ever said all Muslims are terrorists.

Then you are willfully ignorant.

Then you should be able to come up with some good examples.

(September 4, 2015 at 11:02 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

Napoléon Wrote:It does matter, but I think the question is are they doing it because of their religion or in spite of it? For other reasons? For me it's the former. There are obviously other factors that contribute, I don't ignore them. The middle east for example has been a shithole since the dawn of time, ISIS have very good recruitment tactics etc. But Islam is the main justification and at the heart of these factors. Lots of other things are factors too ofcourse, politics for example. But there's only really one religion you keep hearing about in the news that's causing attack after attack after attack. Problem after problem after problem.

Bringing this back to the OP, is it then unreasonable for people to have a level of prejudice against muslims? To be fearful of them? I don't think so. I don't think prejudices are rational ofcourse, but I don't think they're always unreasonable. But then on the flip side no one has, to my knowledge, ever said 'all muslims are terrorists'. And this is an argument that does come up quite a bit. What people tend to be is just fearful in general (or weary, I don't like the word 'fearful' in this context, kind of like how people say "Islamophobia", umm, I don't think anyone screams at the sight of a muslim, unless ofcourse they board your train with an AK-47).

If Islam (or some other new religion) hadn't come along, the region would be largely Orthodox Christian. It would still be tribal, the women would still be covering their heads. If their political history remained roughly the same (we still deposed the Shah's predecessor, we still supported the rural tribes against the Soviets in Afghanistan, we still deposed the secular strongman ruling Iraq, etc.), you think we wouldn't be having these problems if the region were predominantly Christian?

If they were christian maybe they would have gone through both the reformation and the enlightenment. They also probably wouldn't be using the example of Muhammad to enslave religious minorities around them, as ISIS does. That is a direct out growth of Islam. I'll never understand Atheist Islamophiles.

Shuffle Wrote:

thehedglin Wrote:So, have we moved past the idea that too many terrorists are Muslim for it to simply be coincidence? Can we do away with the accusations of racism and actually start discussing WHY these people seem to be more likely to do this nonsense?

Racism? What the fuck does race have to do with this?

There seems to be a high correlation of entire demographics being under suspicion for the actions of a few when the demographic is mainly non-European in ethnicity. White Christians can kill a roomful of black people or blow up an abortion clinic or shoot up schools without calls to profile whites or Christians.

But if it's a swarthy-skinned or slant-eyed foriegner, the response is...different. His race won't be questioned, but his nationality or religion will be used as a basis to drum up hate. But it's nothing to do with complexion. Honest.

Shuffle Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:I can point you in the direction of people saying 'the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim'. I can point you to people using the word 'terrorist' interchangeably with 'Muslim'. Would that satisfy you that it's not dishonest to point out that most Muslims aren't terrorists?

Try going to Free Republic or Townhall and saying 'not all Muslims are terrorists'. You won't have to wait long for someone to point out that the only kinds of Muslims are those who are terrorists and those waiting for the right moment to be terrorists.

I can think of specific groups comprising millions off the top of my head among whom you won't find a single terrorist: Ahmahdis and Ismailis. Not too many Sufis on the list either, especially not compared to Evangelical Christians.

Oh please, please tell me about the rampant Christian terrorism spreading across the country.

Oh please, please tell me about the rampant Sufi terrorism spreading across the country.