(September 6, 2015 at 4:37 pm)abaris Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm)Cephus Wrote: More than that are imprisoned improperly, are you going to demand that nobody be put in prison until that number is zero, or are you going to be a hypocrite?

I guess, the possibility of ever belonging to these 4 percents doesn't occur to you. Would you run your mouth all the same in that case too?

I've never seen the inside of a jail cell, I'm really not worried about being put in prison for a crime I didn't commit.  I'm even less worried about being put on death row for a murder I didn't commit.  Why are you so worried about it?

(September 6, 2015 at 4:53 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(September 5, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Cephus Wrote: Doesn't make it wrong either.  Your opinion is just your opinion and apparently, it's one that a minority of people share.

Argumentum ad populum is still fallacious reasoning.

No one is arguing that more people believing it makes it so, only that it is statistically true.  You apparently don't understand why logical fallacies are logical fallacies.

(September 6, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm)Cephus Wrote: More than that are imprisoned improperly, are you going to demand that nobody be put in prison until that number is zero, or are you going to be a hypocrite?

Wrongful imprisonment can be at least partially repaired ... wrongful killing, not so much.

No amount of money can ever give back years spent wrongfully behind bars.  None.  Do try again.

(September 6, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Cephus Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 4:37 pm)abaris Wrote: I guess, the possibility of ever belonging to these 4 percents doesn't occur to you. Would you run your mouth all the same in that case too?

I've never seen the inside of a jail cell, I'm really not worried about being put in prison for a crime I didn't commit.  I'm even less worried about being put on death row for a murder I didn't commit.  Why are you so worried about it?

Because that's what happened to four per cent of people who have been put to death.

Jesus effing christ. You should be more worried about it.

And are you seriously equating a prison term with being put to death? Really? I'm the irrational one? Please.

(September 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Cephus Wrote: I've never seen the inside of a jail cell, I'm really not worried about being put in prison for a crime I didn't commit.  I'm even less worried about being put on death row for a murder I didn't commit.  Why are you so worried about it?

Because that's what happened to four per cent of people who have been put to death.

Jesus effing christ. You should be more worried about it.

And are you seriously equating a prison term with being put to death? Really? I'm the irrational one? Please.

Everyone will die sooner or later.  But not everyone will go to jail or prison.  Therefore it's a lot worse to send an innocent person to prison than it is to execute an innocent person.   That's because you will have imprisoned an innocent person for the express purpose of executing him.  

BTW, just because a person has never been in prison there's no guarantee that he won't end up in an American prison in the future.  Remember, everything is illegal in America.

(September 6, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: So what you're saying is that it doesn't deter the crime, it prevents recidivism. Those are two entirely different things.

Yep.  I do not think there is a true deterrent for anything.  Put your hand in a fire and it burns right now.  Chances are pretty good that one would not do that again.  But then again, they did do it the first time.  And of course the 'crimes of passion' have no deterrent.

There are some people that just need removed from society for the betterment of all.  But the 'trail of evidence' of evidence needs to be more a lot more solid than it is in a lot of cases, even for extensive prison sentences.  When they sit there with a shit eatin' grin and say "hell yeah!", then burn 'em.  But, IMHO, 20-30+ years in prison is a death sentence in itself.  When they come out (even if they were innocent from the get go), they have no job, skills are old, no family most likely, house, car, bank account all gone and the reputation that will keep them from regaining all that.  The biggest problem there is that when any try to get a job, the "have you been convicted of any felonies"" on the job application, makes it almost impossible to get any 'legal' work.

BTW - (capital punishment does keep a previous offender from recidivism. sounds like a deterrent to me.)

(September 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 6:07 pm)Cephus Wrote: I've never seen the inside of a jail cell, I'm really not worried about being put in prison for a crime I didn't commit.  I'm even less worried about being put on death row for a murder I didn't commit.  Why are you so worried about it?

Because that's what happened to four per cent of people who have been put to death.

Jesus effing christ. You should be more worried about it.

And are you seriously equating a prison term with being put to death? Really? I'm the irrational one? Please.

No, you're the overly-emotional one.

(September 6, 2015 at 5:06 pm)thehedglin Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 4:59 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Wrongful imprisonment can be at least partially repaired ... wrongful killing, not so much.

While wrongful imprisonment is preferable to wrongful killing, I am skeptical of our ability to repair the damage the wrongful conviction caused. In many cases those poor people have lost their families and homes, which is pretty damn hard to replace. There really isn't any way to compensate those poor people for what was taken from them, and in some cases, for decades.

This is not an argument with your point, I just wonder how well we could possibly compensate anyone for ruining their lives.

Agreed: time is irreplaceable.

(September 6, 2015 at 6:46 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Because that's what happened to four per cent of people who have been put to death.

Jesus effing christ. You should be more worried about it.

And are you seriously equating a prison term with being put to death? Really? I'm the irrational one? Please.

Everyone will die sooner or later.  But not everyone will go to jail or prison.  Therefore it's a lot worse to send an innocent person to prison than it is to execute an innocent person.   That's because you will have imprisoned an innocent person for the express purpose of executing him.

How is it for you to decide whether imprisonment or death is better or worse? Presumably you're not facing either, and even if you were, it's not your job to decide that for other people.

Quote:BTW, just because a person has never been in prison there's no guarantee that he won't end up in an American prison in the future.  Remember, everything is illegal in America.

A. no, it's not.
B. what does any of that paragraph have to do with anything?

(September 6, 2015 at 7:14 pm)Cephus Wrote:

(September 6, 2015 at 6:40 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Because that's what happened to four per cent of people who have been put to death.

Jesus effing christ. You should be more worried about it.

And are you seriously equating a prison term with being put to death? Really? I'm the irrational one? Please.

No, you're the overly-emotional one.

Oh, excuse me for being emotional about people being wrongfully convicted and losing their lives over it. Nothing to be passionate about here.