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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 1:33 am
(September 9, 2015 at 10:59 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 9, 2015 at 10:26 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: I always find resistance to sex education puzzling. My Southern Baptist mother did not object to me specifically taking an optional sex ed class when I was young, nor did she object to the school-wide programs in sex education.
Teaching people about birth control and so forth is not the same as telling them to go have sex. It seems, though, that morons do not understand that.
It is amazing that people seem to have the idea that keeping people ignorant about sex will keep them from having sex. As if your dog needs a class in sex education in order to figure out how to have sex!
Honestly, it seems that one must be a total moron to be opposed to sex education. There really seems to be no other explanation.
My mother, a devout Southern Baptist fundamentalist, not only refused to sign my permission form in the 6th grade (I was eleven) for me to attend the SexEd class with the rest of my grade, she personally took the form in to the Principle of the school to ensure that I would be given other duties during the time (two hours every Wednesday) the rest of the kids were in the auditorium learning about SexEd.
Unfortunately for my mother, this backfired, as I was immediately teased for what I did not know by the other children, and thus requested (and got) permission to go next door to the Public Library during my two-hour session for a "study hall" time, during which I would look up books on human sexuality. While the other kids were watching "Fuzzy Bunny Gets Hair in New Places" videos (Simpsons joke), I was reading Dr.Ruth, books about Kinsey and Masters & Johnson, etc.
Excellent.
I feel bad for all the kids for whom it backfired in a different way, though.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 1:37 am
I should have included this in the OP. Sorry.
Last Week with John Oliver: rant about sex ed or lack thereof in (American) schools:
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:02 am
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"You should all be repressed like me!"
Sex ed is incredibly important, more so now than ever in combination with social media conquering lives even from an early age now. As far as I'm aware, better and earlier education has had only positive results in other countries.
Assuming parents will accurately teach children about sex and related issues is hopelessly naive. My parents taught me literally nothing.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:02 am
I think sex ed should be up to the parents, but the parents refuse to actually teach it. I taught my kids about sex. I mean I was a pre-teen mother, and my mother had me when she was in her early teens herself. So I saw first hand the consequences of not knowing about safe sex. I was curious about sex a bit earlier than most. My mom never gave me the talk because she never had the talk (her parents died when she was 11). My dad didn't because that's just not how he did things. I guess I was just lucky he stuck around. He could have easily avoided my mother, and I'd have grown up with just my mom.
I didn't teach my kids abstinence. I taught them to be smart (something I didn't learn until after I had five kids by the age of 23). I taught them to be safe, and not to be fucking stupid. I didn't treat sex as something that was to be saved for marriage, or that it was something sacred or any bullshit like that. I taught them that their urges were normal, and to keep the fucking door shut.
It can't be left up to the parents because parent's don't want to teach some of the important things. Ideally the parents would, and then they could tell their kids what they expected of them themselves. Some might expect abstinence. I didn't. Many people might call me a bad mother because I didn't. I was pretty lenient with my kids, so long as they didn't fuck up royally. But I think they turned out pretty fucking awesome (except for one of them, but he's a douchebag. I blame genetics.) Parents wont' give the talk, so schools are being forced to. They think their children have delicate ears. I knew my kids could handle it, and they did. Not a single one of them got pregnant or got a girl pregnant before they were 20.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:03 am
(September 10, 2015 at 1:37 am)MTL Wrote: I should have included this in the OP. Sorry.
Last Week with John Oliver: rant about sex ed or lack thereof in (American) schools:
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Loved the actually-useful-information SexEd video at the end!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:13 am
(September 10, 2015 at 2:03 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 10, 2015 at 1:37 am)MTL Wrote: I should have included this in the OP. Sorry.
Last Week with John Oliver: rant about sex ed or lack thereof in (American) schools:
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Loved the actually-useful-information SexEd video at the end!
yeah, that part was pretty good.
It just blows my mind that there are still parents, in this day and age,
who confuse keeping their kids ignorant,
with keeping them innocent.
Either that, or they're depriving their kids of education,
and teaching them to close their minds,
just to make a political statement.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:28 am
(September 10, 2015 at 2:02 am)Divinity Wrote: I think sex ed should be up to the parents, but the parents refuse to actually teach it. I taught my kids about sex. I mean I was a pre-teen mother, and my mother had me when she was in her early teens herself. So I saw first hand the consequences of not knowing about safe sex. I was curious about sex a bit earlier than most. My mom never gave me the talk because she never had the talk (her parents died when she was 11). My dad didn't because that's just not how he did things. I guess I was just lucky he stuck around. He could have easily avoided my mother, and I'd have grown up with just my mom.
I didn't teach my kids abstinence. I taught them to be smart (something I didn't learn until after I had five kids by the age of 23). I taught them to be safe, and not to be fucking stupid. I didn't treat sex as something that was to be saved for marriage, or that it was something sacred or any bullshit like that. I taught them that their urges were normal, and to keep the fucking door shut.
It can't be left up to the parents because parent's don't want to teach some of the important things. Ideally the parents would, and then they could tell their kids what they expected of them themselves. Some might expect abstinence. I didn't. Many people might call me a bad mother because I didn't. I was pretty lenient with my kids, so long as they didn't fuck up royally. But I think they turned out pretty fucking awesome (except for one of them, but he's a douchebag. I blame genetics.) Parents wont' give the talk, so schools are being forced to. They think their children have delicate ears. I knew my kids could handle it, and they did. Not a single one of them got pregnant or got a girl pregnant before they were 20.
Please talk more, if you feel comfortable. Five kids by twenty three isn't something I hear about very often. I imagine your story is fascinating.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:29 am
MTL - Since I enjoy your poetic way of writing, here, I'll give it a stab:
They teach their children well
To fear the strange and Other,
To fear the threat of Hell,
A narrow view of brother
Believers in the Lord's Dominion
Must fear all worldly information,
From external informed opinion
Lest their offspring change their station
When sex is taught as foulest taint,
And what's natural is sinful stain
Believe as true what surely ain't
So says the great Mark Twain
Medievalists in modern form
Who seek to raise theocracy,
And see the Blood God as the norm,
They threaten our democracy.
For science is our only hope
Of breaking from our chains
Put on by noblemen and Popes
And freeing children's brains.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 2:29 am
Oh, and MTL, please keep us apprised if there's something to tell us about. I am surprised this is happening in Canada... should I be?
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RE: Ontario Sex Ed Curriculum Uproar
September 10, 2015 at 3:05 am
(September 10, 2015 at 2:29 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: MTL - Since I enjoy your poetic way of writing, here, I'll give it a stab:
They teach their children well
To fear the strange and Other,
To fear the threat of Hell,
A narrow view of brother
Believers in the Lord's Dominion
Must fear all worldly information,
From external informed opinion
Lest their offspring change their station
When sex is taught as foulest taint,
And what's natural is sinful stain
Believe as true what surely ain't
So says the great Mark Twain
Medievalists in modern form
Who seek to raise theocracy,
And see the Blood God as the norm,
They threaten our democracy.
For science is our only hope
Of breaking from our chains
Put on by noblemen and Popes
And freeing children's brains.
I really like that. I wish it could be on the front page of the Toronto Star.
Just off the top of your head?
As to my style of posting, I'm sorry if it's annoying to some.
I've been expecting someone to comment on it.
I am constantly told I am too verbose.
I am trying to avoid a "wall of text",
and just make it visually easier to read, I guess.
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