(September 11, 2015 at 1:34 am)Godschild Wrote:

(September 10, 2015 at 2:12 pm)Lucanus Wrote: Sick dodge, bruh

That wasn't a dodge, it is the truth and if you don't think it's sick you need to join him in getting help.

GC

Oh sod off, you braying holier-than-thou arsebandit.

The fact that you can't recognise satire when you see it speaks volumes about the softness of your head. All dem years up taking bibles up the arse sure do leave little room for any sort of actual fucking THINKING, don't they?
But do go on about how this is fulfilling End Times prophecy and whatnot, you small, sad little man.

FUCK I'm in a bad mood today.

Satire???!!!
I thought we'd collectively come up with a final solution.

I wonder if the converse is true?

"Love is an abortion"

Nope, not feeling it.

The thing is, even if God specifically condemns killing people to get them to heaven, it's certainly not an unforgivable sin. And Jesus says a sin is a sin, so killing babies like that isn't any worse than having dirty thoughts about a woman that's not your wife. Just say you're sorry, and the Big Man will look past it.

Quite a few schisms of the Christian faith unashamedly perform the sacrament of remarriage for divorced people, contrary to some very specific scriptures. In view of that, after reading so many of the (stunningly graphic) Bible verses in this thread, I'm finding myself very surprised we don't have churches performing abortions as part of their retinue of services. Obviously, the Lord would be pleased, and certainly more pleased with abortions, especially on unrepentant enemies of their particular sect, than those damnable remarriages, for sure.

(September 10, 2015 at 6:21 am)robvalue Wrote: If you're part of a religion such as Christianity or Islam, then aborting your children before they are born (or killing them just after they are born) is the most loving thing you can do for them.

First of all, you eliminate the risk that they might end up in hell by failing to follow the rules correctly.

Second, they go straight to heaven without any of the pain or heartache this life brings. They begin infinite happiness right away.

And third, it's insurance against them picking the wrong religion.

Even if we pretend there is definitely a god, and it's definitely either Yahweh or Allah, that means every Christian and Muslim is taking a risk. If they don't kill their baby, it might not go to heaven by picking wrong. You may be in the wrong religion and it may copy you, or you may be in the right religion and it may stray to another.

By killing it, the God can't say it picked wrong, so must send it to heaven! Even if you've picked wrong, in which case you're going to hell regardless, you save your child the same fate.

The ultimate act of love! So how can you object, and why don't you do it? Is it because you're hedging your bets in case the whole thing is actually made up?

Hey Rob, I will step up to the plate and respond.  

First off, having children is somewhat of a paradox.  What I mean by this is that people do not NEED to have kids but WANT to have kids.  It is a selfish desire to procreate.  We are certainly at a point in our society where procreation is not necessary to species survival, in fact some would argue for sterilization in some countries, and indeed some countries do have laws to limit number of children, etc.  So all in all people have children out of a personal desire.  The reason I say it's a paradox is because of out this selfish desire, comes selfless love.  Those who are parents here would most likely agree that after you have children, your entire life changes and your decisions/life choices center around your children.  Some parents forego their dreams, aspirations, careers, etc all for their kids.  It's about sacrifice.  That is truly the most loving thing a parent can really do for the kids, is to sacrifice their own desires and put the kids needs first.  

I understand your premises, but I think that would only apply to a fanatical form of religion to be honest.  I encourage my children to discover what they want, be who they are and I will help them and answer any questions best I know how.  I will give them guidelines to follow in my home, teach them respect and care for others, love and protect them like nothing else, and let them be their own person.  Belief in God is a one on one personal thing that each person makes for themselves.  I don't shy away from my belief when the kids ask me and if they choose not to believe, that would not change my love for them one iota.  

You say there is so much pain and heartache, but is there not also love, wonder, amazement and joy?  Pain and heartache is not all there is.  I have experienced plenty of that in my life and very young, but overall life is an amazing joy to live.

(September 11, 2015 at 10:19 am)lkingpinl Wrote:

(September 10, 2015 at 6:21 am)robvalue Wrote: If you're part of a religion such as Christianity or Islam, then aborting your children before they are born (or killing them just after they are born) is the most loving thing you can do for them.

First of all, you eliminate the risk that they might end up in hell by failing to follow the rules correctly.

Second, they go straight to heaven without any of the pain or heartache this life brings. They begin infinite happiness right away.

And third, it's insurance against them picking the wrong religion.

Even if we pretend there is definitely a god, and it's definitely either Yahweh or Allah, that means every Christian and Muslim is taking a risk. If they don't kill their baby, it might not go to heaven by picking wrong. You may be in the wrong religion and it may copy you, or you may be in the right religion and it may stray to another.

By killing it, the God can't say it picked wrong, so must send it to heaven! Even if you've picked wrong, in which case you're going to hell regardless, you save your child the same fate.

The ultimate act of love! So how can you object, and why don't you do it? Is it because you're hedging your bets in case the whole thing is actually made up?

Hey Rob, I will step up to the plate and respond.  

First off, having children is somewhat of a paradox.  What I mean by this is that people do not NEED to have kids but WANT to have kids.  It is a selfish desire to procreate.  We are certainly at a point in our society where procreation is not necessary to species survival, in fact some would argue for sterilization in some countries, and indeed some countries do have laws to limit number of children, etc.  So all in all people have children out of a personal desire.  The reason I say it's a paradox is because of out this selfish desire, becomes selfless love.  Those who are parents here wold most likely agree that after you have children, your entire life changes and your decisions/life choices center around your children.  Some parents forego their dreams, aspirations, careers, etc all for their kids.  It's about sacrifice.  That is truly the most loving thing a parent can really do for the kids, is to sacrifice their own desires and put the kids needs first.  

I understand your premises, but I think that would only apply to a fanatical form of religion to be honest.  I encourage my children to discover what they want, be who they are and I will help them and answer any questions best I know how.  I will give them guidelines to follow in my home, teach them respect and care for others, love and protect them like nothing else, and let them be their own person.  Belief in God is a one on one personal thing that each person makes for themself.  I don't shy away from my belief when the kids ask me and if they choose not to believe, that would not change my love for them one iota.  

You say there is so much pain and heartache, but is there not also love, wonder, amazement and joy?  Pain and heartache is not all there is.  I have experienced plenty of that in my life and very young, but overall life is an amazing joy to live.

Ummmmm, KingPin for president?? 

(September 11, 2015 at 11:11 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(September 11, 2015 at 10:19 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Hey Rob, I will step up to the plate and respond.  

First off, having children is somewhat of a paradox.  What I mean by this is that people do not NEED to have kids but WANT to have kids.  It is a selfish desire to procreate.  We are certainly at a point in our society where procreation is not necessary to species survival, in fact some would argue for sterilization in some countries, and indeed some countries do have laws to limit number of children, etc.  So all in all people have children out of a personal desire.  The reason I say it's a paradox is because of out this selfish desire, becomes selfless love.  Those who are parents here wold most likely agree that after you have children, your entire life changes and your decisions/life choices center around your children.  Some parents forego their dreams, aspirations, careers, etc all for their kids.  It's about sacrifice.  That is truly the most loving thing a parent can really do for the kids, is to sacrifice their own desires and put the kids needs first.  

I understand your premises, but I think that would only apply to a fanatical form of religion to be honest.  I encourage my children to discover what they want, be who they are and I will help them and answer any questions best I know how.  I will give them guidelines to follow in my home, teach them respect and care for others, love and protect them like nothing else, and let them be their own person.  Belief in God is a one on one personal thing that each person makes for themself.  I don't shy away from my belief when the kids ask me and if they choose not to believe, that would not change my love for them one iota.  

You say there is so much pain and heartache, but is there not also love, wonder, amazement and joy?  Pain and heartache is not all there is.  I have experienced plenty of that in my life and very young, but overall life is an amazing joy to live.

Ummmmm, KingPin for president?? 

Lol, no thanks, I find it difficult enough to run a household of seven.  

(September 11, 2015 at 10:19 am)lkingpinl Wrote: Hey Rob, I will step up to the plate and respond.  

First off, having children is somewhat of a paradox.  What I mean by this is that people do not NEED to have kids but WANT to have kids.  It is a selfish desire to procreate.  We are certainly at a point in our society where procreation is not necessary to species survival, in fact some would argue for sterilization in some countries, and indeed some countries do have laws to limit number of children, etc.  So all in all people have children out of a personal desire.  The reason I say it's a paradox is because of out this selfish desire, becomes selfless love.  Those who are parents here wold most likely agree that after you have children, your entire life changes and your decisions/life choices center around your children.  Some parents forego their dreams, aspirations, careers, etc all for their kids.  It's about sacrifice.  That is truly the most loving thing a parent can really do for the kids, is to sacrifice their own desires and put the kids needs first.  

I understand your premises, but I think that would only apply to a fanatical form of religion to be honest.  I encourage my children to discover what they want, be who they are and I will help them and answer any questions best I know how.  I will give them guidelines to follow in my home, teach them respect and care for others, love and protect them like nothing else, and let them be their own person.  Belief in God is a one on one personal thing that each person makes for themself.  I don't shy away from my belief when the kids ask me and if they choose not to believe, that would not change my love for them one iota.  

You say there is so much pain and heartache, but is there not also love, wonder, amazement and joy?  Pain and heartache is not all there is.  I have experienced plenty of that in my life and very young, but overall life is an amazing joy to live.

While I truly appreciate this post for what it is, my question is this, if you believe that there is a judgement after this life that will determine where you and your family will spend eternity, one destination being paradise and one destination being punishment, why would you not be fanatical about that?

(September 11, 2015 at 11:11 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ummmmm, KingPin for president?? 

But AF.org has never had an elected president. Just an almighty emperor for life. Sorry.