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Bernie Sanders Shows
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 (September 21, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Can you really blame Ben Carson for saying that, though? Yes. (September 21, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Faith No More Wrote: He has hitched his saddle to the Republican party nomination... We can blame him for that, too. If one chooses to join evil bastards, one is rightly blamed for it. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
 (September 21, 2015 at 10:56 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Can you really blame Ben Carson for saying that, though? He has hitched his saddle to the Republican party nomination, and saying that he was okay with a Muslim president would basically end his campaign. What you're saying is certainly accurate, but doesn't address the fact that a "conservative" would support abrogating the Constitution, which is a contradiction given their fetish of "original intent".  (September 21, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Very few people can manage that. Joe Biden is someone who often makes one forget that he is a Catholic, which is a great compliment to him. Ironically I think Ben Carson is one that cannot manage it. The man thinks the world is 6000 years old. And he wants a tax system based on the bible. And yes, I should have said "he or she". Actually probably should have said "They" 
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Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (September 21, 2015 at 10:58 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Bern baby bern! I like this guy. Though I have to admit it's a sad day when of all the women and poc running the only one truly fighting for equality is the old white guy in the off the rack suit! That is sort of a sour note of irony regarding American politics huh?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (September 21, 2015 at 10:58 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Bern baby bern! I like this guy. Though I have to admit it's a sad day when of all the women and poc running the only one truly fighting for equality is the old white guy in the off the rack suit! What matters most is one's politics, not the color of one's skin or one's genitalia. That said, many of us wanted Elizabeth Warren to run, but she evidently did not think now was the right time. But the main thing is to not judge people by the color of their skin or their genitalia when considering things for which neither is relevant. If everyone did that, then we would not need to be concerned about such things at all. But in the real world, you are right to be displeased that we have no good nonwhite women options. The lesson is, your enemy cannot be judged by race or gender. Too bad most people have trouble with this concept. "A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence." — David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
 (September 21, 2015 at 11:05 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(September 21, 2015 at 10:58 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Bern baby bern! I like this guy. Though I have to admit it's a sad day when of all the women and poc running the only one truly fighting for equality is the old white guy in the off the rack suit! It really is.  (September 21, 2015 at 11:02 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: What you're saying is certainly accurate, but doesn't address the fact that a "conservative" would support abrogating the Constitution, which is a contradiction given their fetish of "original intent". Do you really want to go down the rabbit hole of listing their hypocrisies?  I'm just saying that American politics is less about a politician expressing their feelings than it is about he/she saying what the public wants to hear. I think that's partly why Bernie is popular. He's not about talking points or cramming as many key words into a speech as possible.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Copenhagen School Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (September 21, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Faith No More Wrote:That and he seems often to genuinely frustrated.(September 21, 2015 at 11:02 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: What you're saying is certainly accurate, but doesn't address the fact that a "conservative" would support abrogating the Constitution, which is a contradiction given their fetish of "original intent".
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  (September 21, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:(September 21, 2015 at 10:58 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Bern baby bern! I like this guy. Though I have to admit it's a sad day when of all the women and poc running the only one truly fighting for equality is the old white guy in the off the rack suit! Oh, man. If they could get a Sanders/Warren ticket, convince her to at least run for VP, I'd cream my freakin' jeans. Those are the only two people talking about the reality of the United States right now. All the rest of the candidates (even Hillary, whom I consider part of the Establishment just as much as any GOP candidate) just talk about how "great" America is, like we can't read international comparison statistics... or, well, a newspaper. That's not to say I don't love the USA. I just recognize the problems we have and the legacies of discrimination and unfairness we have not addressed, and I face them directly and want to change things to be better for more people in this country. I don't think we can do that until we heed the warnings of our Founding Fathers about the dangers of out-of-control (banking & capital) corporations. Sanders has little chance, right now, but if the Donald wins the Republican primary, I think he'll come across as the reasonable candidate to most of the voters in the center, who matter. Trump is where he is because he doesn't talk like a politician, and people are tired of the old way of doing things-- so no matter how batshit crazy he talks, all they hear is, "Yeah, that guy tells it like it is!" That's great for early primaries, but won't work so well in a general election. Bernie's off-the-rack suit is just the thing to get the centrists to think, "He's one of us" in a way that billionaire Don will not really accomplish outside of the Base, so when the two get up for the Presidential Debates, it will quickly become apparent who has the most reasonable positions, and no amount of Faux News Channel screaming about his socialism (he has admitted to being a Scandinavian-style socialist, or at least in agreement with those principles, which will be a problem for those who don't or won't understand what that means) will be able to distract from how crazy Donald will look next to Bernie on a stage in front of cameras.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.  (September 22, 2015 at 12:41 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Pyrrho I'm with you on that. A Sanders/Warren ticket would be something to reckon with -- at least to the extent that people are ready to talk about the reality of contemporary America and to hear some uncomfortable truths. I'm just skeptical that a sufficient number of people are ready for that. We've had one election cycle after another in which candidates feed the electorate with pap and nice sounding clichés that stroke our national narcissism. Aspirational rhetoric seems to be the only thing many people really want to hear. Discussions on the need to reform the financial system, to address the ever-increasing income gap, or to seriously address our contribution to climate change won't go over well with the crowd that just wants to chant USA, USA! Besides, I'm not sure VP would be a palatable position for Warren. As it is, she is an increasingly powerful person in Congress and is in a position to really drive the debate on a number of issues in ways she could never do if she is stuck attending state funerals and whatever other menial executive tasks she might be given by the President. VP could be a step down for her. |
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