One last question, and the most important for me, is how much data does it use? We only have a 2gb a month broadband connection but it's unmetered at night. I know already from reading this thread that there's one default feature I'll have to turn off - this using of your bandwidth to send updates to other users - and I'd also assume that it will use up quite a lot of data to be constantly serving you with ads?

At the moment I use a program called networx to monitor the amount of data traffic used and to keep it reasonable, but does anyone else use this? Could anyone give me a rough estimate of how much data Windows 10 uses (download and upload) just for typical usage (i.e. browsing the internet but not streaming, youtube or anything like that).

There's also the question of the forced updates that I've been reading about. At the moment we tend to do our updates at night, when it's unmetered, but what I've been reading implies that there is much less control over that in Windows 10. Or is that just for security updates - do you have choice of when to download the other types of updates?

One way around some of these problems has always been to set the wifi to connect manually rather than automatically. It's a pain in the arse doing that, because it's much more convenient being always on, but I fear it may be necessary here. Is it possible to set it up like that?

Anyway I suppose the overall question is, does Windows 10 assume that you have unlimited internet, and would it would be wise to avoid it if you don't?

http://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-to-s...-internet/

(September 22, 2015 at 7:16 am)ignoramus Wrote: http://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-to-s...-internet/

Wow! Thank you! I think that answers everything. Not only can you turn off the P2P sharing completely but you can also have a sort of compromise position of local network only which looks even better - download once to your network and then share between your own devices. And then, also the option to set your wifi connection to metered so that it will never upload updates, will not automatically download updates, and will cause apps to work in a more data efficient manner. Pretty cool, and to be honest it makes me a little bit ashamed of how I bought into the negative hype - that P2P feature is a good feature, and though Microsoft may benefit from it too, it looks like the user benefits from it most by speeding up updates and downloads of apps.

(September 21, 2015 at 6:30 pm)emjay Wrote:

(September 21, 2015 at 6:19 pm)IATIA Wrote: Did it.

Cool   I saw your post above - you really really didn't like it? I do think I need to try it, see for myself, because I've never seen anything of Microsoft's answer to Google Play and all that. But good to know that I can revert, cheers.

I was watching a DVD and in the middle of the show, M$ had the audacity to throw in a popup about M$ Office.

(September 21, 2015 at 8:04 pm)emjay Wrote: Cool   Can't think of any reason not to do it now.

You say that now.  Ignorance is bliss.  

(September 22, 2015 at 8:29 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(September 21, 2015 at 8:04 pm)emjay Wrote: Cool   Can't think of any reason not to do it now.

You say that now.  Ignorance is bliss.  

You couldn't have said that at a more ironic time: two hours later I've finished the upgrade and the first thing the fucking thing does when it gets to the desktop is freeze. No mouse, no task manager, nothing Had to turn it off. On again and mouse moved for about ten seconds then froze again. One more time, same thing. How to kill your PC in one easy lesson, just upgrade to Windows 10 Rep and kudos to anyone who can solve this for me, but I'm stuck on my mobile now

At least safe mode works. This is gonna be a long night

I've reverted back to Windows 7 which took all of about 3 minutes and thankfully could be done from safe mode. At least I got to leave my feedback for Microsoft as to why I was going back and it was along the lines of "...All I got to see of Windows 10 was safe mode ". But at least I've seen how the reverting process works and it's got to be an image for it to be that quick. And nothing seems to have changed so that's a relief. It's as if it never happened.

I'd say there's an incompatible service or driver locking things up.
In safe mode, try to disable non essential services and see how you go.
I had similar issues trying to force my tv dongle driver to load...

If you are using Avast Antivirus, there are a lot of known bugs with Windows 10. It will kill Cortana and your start button. Not sure about any freezing issues, but I had to move to Panda Antivirus.