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You didn't establish anything in your last thread. This tactic of declaring yourself the winner of the other thread so you can then use the same presuppositions as before to push the same drivel as before...it's a tactic, nothing more. We see through it. You're still wrong. You established nothing in your last thread, and you are saying nothing new in this one.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
(September 29, 2015 at 12:45 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: You'd think hell would look scarier than Doom 2.
Yeah - not exactly Hieronymus Bosch, is it?
Shit, it's not even Jack Chick:
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
September 29, 2015 at 2:26 pm (This post was last modified: September 29, 2015 at 2:31 pm by Deepthunk.
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This is just plain stupid, but since I wasted several minutes reading this idiotic crap I may as well debase it. Lets just take this one asinine statement at a time so we can break it down clearly and without confusion.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is No evidence that with the physical death everything is over.
Actually there's a mountain of evidence, like the fact that one never hear's again from one's deceased relatives. If grandma and grandpa are still there, why don't they come to visit their grand kids once a month, and I don't mean as an abstract feeling, but rather why don't they just sit and talk, if "god" forbids them, why would your god do such a thing?
Actually, I'm more agnostic than atheist in that I think there is an afterlife but its a natural biological phenomenon that exists regardless of religion, and I personally have a hunch that the behavior of electrons and two quantum phenomena known as quantum entanglement and the Kondo state will explain it, but even if that were true it wouldn't substantiate your religion. While I may not know all that's going on in the universe, I do know, as surly as I know that the earth orbits the sun, that your religion is bull.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is NO evidence that we got the consciousness that we got thanks to previous generation.
I fail to see how you can claim anything has been established when that sentence barely makes any sense. I'm not being sarcastic, I mean that sentence is barely coherent.
To break it down simply, we have consciousness because each each cell in our central nervous system acts like a tiny quantum computer with information stored as quantum states in suspended electrons. Before you claim that this is proof of your religion, remember it would have started with one multi-cellular organism having one or two such cells to process and store information, as these cells provided a survival advantage most likely because they could store information on the location of food and helped locate more, this organism became wildly successful, then every time a random mutation caused an increase in the number of these cells it provided a greater advantage until we ended up here, arguing over computers about whether or not your religion should control the body hearts and minds of every single human being because you just say it should.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is No evidence that God does not exist so everything is possible.
No one has established any such thing. Your religion claims to have been written by the creator of the universe and to be constantly guided by such, however it imprisoned, tortured and murdered people for fifteen hundred years up too and including most famously Galileo Galilee simply for stating that the earth orbits the sun.
Since your religion oppressed a very simple fact which people could observe to be true in the nights sky because they had mistakenly claimed the opposite, I think its more than safe to say your religion is not written or inspired by the creator of any universe, let alone this one.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: In the physical arena the small is attracted to the big so is quite possible that our small consciousness is attracted by a bigger and infinite consciousness.
First off, the "small" is not attracted to the "large", you state this as though it were a law a physics, but its simply not.
Objects are attracted proportionally to their masses because all protons have mass, but the attraction is mutual and proportionate. so when you jump up for example, the earth actually moves an infinitesimally small amount upwards toward you, proportional to its mass relative to yours. since your mass is incredibly small compared to the mass of the earth, the earth has a proportionally huge effect on you, but where your mass is infinitesimally small compared to the earth, you have an infinitesimally small impact on the the earth. I learned that in the third grade, and again in middle school, and again in high school physical science. where did you go to school, the deep south?
second, even if your statement wasn't fundamentally wrong according to elementary school level physics, the behavior of massive objects and the behavior of consciousness need not relate to one another. the assumption that they do is just that, an assumption.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: All it is possible.
Are you from the deep south?
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: The problem however is how to find out where is the truth and how the system works.
Science is all about finding out the truth.
Yes, that is learning, not assuming things are as you want them to be because it makes you feel superior and righteous in hating innocent people over sex.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Nobody invent anything.
People only discover something.
Do i need to define the difference between an invention and a discovery? oh why bother I'm not paid to be a grade school teacher.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: What we discover today is most probably already been discovered in far away more evolved planets in far away solar systems and what we will discover tomorrow is something likely already been discovered in other places so the knowledge is everywhere and the best way to discover more knowledge is to keep our awareness open to all possibilities.
So if we stop thinking aliens will think for us? again this isn't sarcasm, I'm really not sure what your trying to say here.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Few atheists are open to possibilities while most of them are not.
That's an awfully broad and overarching statement that just isn't true, I'm just not going to give my body heart and mind to your religious leaders because they demand it, I don't give a damn how jealous they are over other people having sex without their permission and I don't care how superior it makes you feel to claim your holy for you hatred of other peoples sexuality.
I say that because physiologically, that is what your religion provides you. By exalting hatred and aggression toward the sexuality of others as holy, it not only gives people an pseudo-moral excuse for engaging in the behaviors of alpha male and female gorilla's, it actually exalts those behaviors as holy and claims that alpha's are actually superior for engaging in them.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Physically speaking our body works very well if our arteries are not clogged up with impurities so the blood flow freely.
Mentally speaking is the same.
So my head is clogged because I know your religion is false and don't exalt you and your religious leaders as morally superior? I think your the one who's not open to any other possibilities except the belief that your religion makes your morally superior for hating it when other people have sex without involving you in the decision.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Dogmas or false truth prevent the free flow of what is true.
Our awareness must be open to all possibilities.
But your not open to anything except the belief that you and your religious leaders are superior for being angry that others have sex.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: This is the only way to reach the truth but considering that atheism in general is build on dogmas like
believing that with the physical death is all over and other believes based on no evidence than is clear that the flow of truth will never reach their inner self.
It's not dogma to know your religion was wrong about the earth orbiting the sun. Your whole claim is that god wrote and inspires it, but if they so wrong about something so fundamental how could it be written or inspired by the creator of the universe?
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: As the heart bring life to all the body also the cosmic awareness bring the truth to the inner self.
In other words it makes you feel good to hate others over sex, so you call that good feeling cosmic awareness and act as though it is evidence of your superiority.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is no need to try to invent anything.
All is already there.
Because your religions founders already invented all the excuses you'll ever need.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: All is needed is to allow the flow to run freely that is why a belief like atheism that prevent this flow of truth is unscientific.
yeah, something's flowing freely alright, but its brown, it smells nasty and truth it is not.
(September 29, 2015 at 2:26 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: This is just plain stupid, but since I wasted several minutes reading this idiotic crap I may as well debase it. Lets just take this one asinine statement at a time so we can break it down clearly and without confusion.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is No evidence that with the physical death everything is over.
Actually there's a mountain of evidence, like the fact that one never hear's again from one's deceased relatives. If grandma and grandpa are still there, why don't they come to visit their grand kids once a month, and I don't mean as an abstract feeling, but rather why don't they just sit and talk, if "god" forbids them, why would your god do such a thing?
Actually, I'm more agnostic than atheist in that I think there is an afterlife but its a natural biological phenomenon that exists regardless of religion, and I personally have a hunch that the behavior of electrons and two quantum phenomena known as quantum entanglement and the Kondo state will explain it, but even if that were true it wouldn't substantiate your religion. While I may not know all that's going on in the universe, I do know, as surly as I know that the earth orbits the sun, that your religion is bull.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is NO evidence that we got the consciousness that we got thanks to previous generation.
I fail to see how you can claim anything has been established when that sentence barely makes any sense. I'm not being sarcastic, I mean that sentence is barely coherent.
To break it down simply, we have consciousness because each each cell in our central nervous system acts like a tiny quantum computer with information stored as quantum states in suspended electrons. Before you claim that this is proof of your religion, remember it would have started with one multi-cellular organism having one or two such cells to process and store information, as these cells provided a survival advantage most likely because they could store information on the location of food and helped locate more, this organism became wildly successful, then every time a random mutation caused an increase in the number of these cells it provided a greater advantage until we ended up here, arguing over computers about whether or not your religion should control the body hearts and minds of every single human being because you just say it should.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that there is No evidence that God does not exist so everything is possible.
No one has established any such thing. Your religion claims to have been written by the creator of the universe and to be constantly guided by such, however it imprisoned, tortured and murdered people for fifteen hundred years up too and including most famously Galileo Galilee simply for stating that the earth orbits the sun.
Since your religion oppressed a very simple fact which people could observe to be true in the nights sky because they had mistakenly claimed the opposite, I think its more than safe to say your religion is not written or inspired by the creator of any universe, let alone this one.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: In the physical arena the small is attracted to the big so is quite possible that our small consciousness is attracted by a bigger and infinite consciousness.
First off, the "small" is not attracted to the "large", you state this as though it were a law a physics, but its simply not.
Objects are attracted proportionally to their masses because all protons have mass, but the attraction is mutual and proportionate. so when you jump up for example, the earth actually moves an infinitesimally small amount upwards toward you, proportional to its mass relative to yours. since your mass is incredibly small compared to the mass of the earth, the earth has a proportionally huge effect on you, but where your mass is infinitesimally small compared to the earth, you have an infinitesimally small impact on the the earth. I learned that in the third grade, and again in middle school, and again in high school physical science. where did you go to school, the deep south?
second, even if your statement wasn't fundamentally wrong according to elementary school level physics, the behavior of massive objects and the behavior of consciousness need not relate to one another. the assumption that they do is just that, an assumption.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: All it is possible.
Are you from the deep south?
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: The problem however is how to find out where is the truth and how the system works.
Science is all about finding out the truth.
Yes, that is learning, not assuming things are as you want them to be because it makes you feel superior and righteous in hating innocent people over sex.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Nobody invent anything.
People only discover something.
Do i need to define the difference between an invention and a discovery? oh why bother I'm not paid to be a grade school teacher.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: What we discover today is most probably already been discovered in far away more evolved planets in far away solar systems and what we will discover tomorrow is something likely already been discovered in other places so the knowledge is everywhere and the best way to discover more knowledge is to keep our awareness open to all possibilities.
So if we stop thinking aliens will think for us? again this isn't sarcasm, I'm really not sure what your trying to say here.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Few atheists are open to possibilities while most of them are not.
That's an awfully broad and overarching statement that just isn't true, I'm just not going to give my body heart and mind to your religious leaders because they demand it, I don't give a damn how jealous they are over other people having sex without their permission and I don't care how superior it makes you feel to claim your holy for you hatred of other peoples sexuality.
I say that because physiologically, that is what your religion provides you. By exalting hatred and aggression toward the sexuality of others as holy, it not only gives people an pseudo-moral excuse for engaging in the behaviors of alpha male and female gorilla's, it actually exalts those behaviors as holy and claims that alpha's are actually superior for engaging in them.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Physically speaking our body works very well if our arteries are not clogged up with impurities so the blood flow freely.
Mentally speaking is the same.
So my head is clogged because I know your religion is false and don't exalt you and your religious leaders as morally superior? I think your the one who's not open to any other possibilities except the belief that your religion makes your morally superior for hating it when other people have sex without involving you in the decision.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Dogmas or false truth prevent the free flow of what is true.
Our awareness must be open to all possibilities.
But your not open to anything except the belief that you and your religious leaders are superior for being angry that others have sex.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: This is the only way to reach the truth but considering that atheism in general is build on dogmas like
believing that with the physical death is all over and other believes based on no evidence than is clear that the flow of truth will never reach their inner self.
It's not dogma to know your religion was wrong about the earth orbiting the sun. Your whole claim is that god wrote and inspires it, but if they so wrong about something so fundamental how could it be written or inspired by the creator of the universe?
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: As the heart bring life to all the body also the cosmic awareness bring the truth to the inner self.
In other words it makes you feel good to hate others over sex, so you call that good feeling cosmic awareness and act as though it is evidence of your superiority.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is no need to try to invent anything.
All is already there.
Because your religions founders already invented all the excuses you'll ever need.
(September 27, 2015 at 8:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: All is needed is to allow the flow to run freely that is why a belief like atheism that prevent this flow of truth is unscientific.
yeah, something's flowing freely alright, but its brown, it smells nasty and truth it is not.
You seem to be under the impression that Rik is Christian. He is not. He's a follower of Ananda Marga, a sect of Hinduism.
Yes, belief is the psychological state in which one accepts a premise or proposition as being true.
The problem is (which I'm sure you will not understand, but here goes anyway), when someone disbelieves a claim, they do not necessarily believe the opposite claim by default.
So, when we say we do not believe your claims, we do not, by default believe they are false. We just don't believe you have been able to support your claims enough to accept them as being true.
And on a side note, there are good reasons to believe something, and there are bad reasons.
Good reasons:
Demonstrable, repeatable, falsifiable evidence.
Valid and sound logic.
Bad reasons:
Personal experience.
Anecdotal evidence.
Ancient texts.
The strengths of ones beliefs should be proportional to the strength of the evidence. The type of evidence that you provide is low strength.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
(September 29, 2015 at 2:26 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: I learned that in the third grade, and again in middle school, and again in high school physical science. where did you go to school, the deep south?
Hey! I am a product of the school systems of the Deep South.
Er, I'm sorry, I mean...
Hey! I be frum da southland. Don' make me git mah shawtgun.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
So you reckon that doctors that declare a bloke dead are not capable of knowing for sure whether the bloke is alive or dead?
What a waste plumb.
These doctors study for years and years for nothing.
They should come to your school and learn the profession.
By the way what are your qualification?
Since you appear to have missed it, the first time, I'm going to quote myself here:
(September 28, 2015 at 1:09 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I suppose we should pause a moment to scientifically consider your NDE claims.
Thankfully, the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP) has already done so:
I know you don't actually care to investigate the truth of how our brains create fabrications like NDEs (and religion!), and won't read any of that. I've come to expect it. But since you came here calling us unscientific and claiming we just need to look to see the truth, I'm pointing out to you that we have looked, scientifically, and found the concepts lacking. You should try science and reason. They're often quite refreshing.
Oh, you have looked, scientifically.................but wait a moment mate, this just remind me of that guy that instead of calling a plumber to fix his toilet called an electrician.
How the hell can physical science be able to investigate something outside his competence as the consciousness?
You guys are totally stuck in the dogma that physical science is the panacea for all problems.
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