(October 7, 2015 at 7:27 am)bambi_swag Wrote:

(October 6, 2015 at 3:29 am)Losty Wrote: Babies don't belong in prisons, people in general don't belong in prisons most of the time, but especially not children.

Oh yes because children are total angels and too holy for such mature and scary adult things.

My cousin toddler once bit the shit out of me younger brother side because he was spoiled and mad. If anything he should have had a TV cable smacked around his pampered ass.

Children do not know right from wrong. They rely on adults to teach them such things. Child abuse is a way of teaching children, if you want to teach them that they are unimportant, that it's acceptable to use violence to teach "lessons", and that we should harm those who are smaller and weaker than us. It's a terrible thing to teach a child.

(October 5, 2015 at 5:43 pm)MentalGiant Wrote: If it weren't a gun, he'd have just strangled her, poisoned her, beaten her, stabbed her ext... People seem to forget violent crimes that result in death that did NOT involve a gun happen all the time. The media just doesn't feast upon those stories as a way to stir up controversy.

I'm more concerned as to WHY an 11 year old child was driven to murder than the weapon/method of choice.

Bullshit dodge. Other bad shit happens so do nothing about guns.

(October 7, 2015 at 9:10 am)Losty Wrote:

(October 7, 2015 at 7:27 am)bambi_swag Wrote: Oh yes because children are total angels and too holy for such mature and scary adult things.

My cousin toddler once bit the shit out of me younger brother side because he was spoiled and mad. If anything he should have had a TV cable smacked around his pampered ass.

Children do not know right from wrong. They rely on adults to teach them such things. Child abuse is a way of teaching children, if you want to teach them that they are unimportant, that it's acceptable to use violence to teach "lessons", and that we should harm those who are smaller and weaker than us. It's a terrible thing to teach a child.

You have a point, unless you consider speaking and general discipline child abuse. I was spanked for every wrong thing I did when I was small, and it taught me not to lie, steal and other things. I've noticed that in pampered households where children aren't disciplined for wrong doing, children do tend to be more spoilt (like the aforementioned example).

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(October 7, 2015 at 9:21 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 5, 2015 at 5:43 pm)MentalGiant Wrote: If it weren't a gun, he'd have just strangled her, poisoned her, beaten her, stabbed her ext... People seem to forget violent crimes that result in death that did NOT involve a gun happen all the time. The media just doesn't feast upon those stories as a way to stir up controversy.

I'm more concerned as to WHY an 11 year old child was driven to murder than the weapon/method of choice.

Bullshit dodge. Other bad shit happens so do nothing about guns.

True, you're spot on. That's like saying everyone should be allowed to carry nuclear weapons because you can still commit genocide with a toothpick.

(October 7, 2015 at 12:48 pm)bambi_swag Wrote: You have a point, unless you consider speaking and general discipline child abuse. I was spanked for every wrong thing I did when I was small, and it taught me not to lie, steal and other things. I've noticed that in pampered households where children aren't disciplined for wrong doing, children do tend to be more spoilt (like the aforementioned example).

Obviously you don't get the distinction between the bleeding heart approach and what's reasonable for a society. As I said, that guy has serious mental problems. Even if tried as an adult, he will come out at some point. Untreated, made worse by the prison system, probably a career criminal or serial offender.

On the other hand you might read up on the works of John Douglas and Hazlewood, who were prominent FBI profilers and forensic psychologists. At the age of 11 you can still catch them. At the age of 21 or whenever he's supposed to come out, the train has left the station. To the detriment of society.

IMO not only are children not responsible but although adults are fully responsible by age 18 legally... some people take years more to mature, maybe to fully mature most people take to age 25+... some people never mature

Legally it's justifiably 18 though.

Can this really be called murder though? Doesn't murder imply you understand the concept of death?

I wouldn't call it murder I'd call it a horrific tragedy with the adults being the responsible ones.

(October 7, 2015 at 6:55 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Can this really be called murder though? Doesn't murder imply you understand the concept of death?

You do understand it at age 11. But that's not the point.

It's such a tragedy.

(October 7, 2015 at 1:51 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 7, 2015 at 12:48 pm)bambi_swag Wrote: You have a point, unless you consider speaking and general discipline child abuse. I was spanked for every wrong thing I did when I was small, and it taught me not to lie, steal and other things. I've noticed that in pampered households where children aren't disciplined for wrong doing, children do tend to be more spoilt (like the aforementioned example).

Obviously you don't get the distinction between the bleeding heart approach and what's reasonable for a society. As I said, that guy has serious mental problems. Even if tried as an adult, he will come out at some point. Untreated, made worse by the prison system, probably a career criminal or serial offender.

On the other hand you might read up on the works of John Douglas and Hazlewood, who were prominent FBI profilers and forensic psychologists. At the age of 11 you can still catch them. At the age of 21 or whenever he's supposed to come out, the train has left the station. To the detriment of society.

Maybe so, but haven't you noticed the huge rise of insanity pleads for murder trials these days? There aren't that many crazy people you know. I smell a thief trying the desperate back-door on this one.

But If he indeed was crazy and didn't know what he was doing, the you are right.

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(October 7, 2015 at 6:49 pm)Evie Wrote: IMO not only are children not responsible but although adults are fully responsible by age 18 legally... some people take years more to mature, maybe to fully mature most people take to age 25+... some people never mature

Legally it's justifiably 18 though.

lol. So If I microwaved a cat when I was seventeen (literally a few months back) I would possibly a lighter sentence for animal cruelty. Either aging sucks, or we have an infantile judiciary system on our hands.