(October 8, 2015 at 1:21 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Drich Wrote: What if 'free will' is a ancient greek construct and not a biblical precept?

What if God sowed the earth with His seed, and satan sowed the world with his, and God simply let the two grow together till the final harvest, where then they would be separated?

God is funny about sowing multiple varieties together.

Really.

Leviticus somewhere.


He really is a touchy mother fucker.  Figured you'd be up to speed on that . .

I figured most of you would be able to recognize the parable of the weeds Jesus told in Mat 13.
Matthew 13New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

Drippy the Dripster AKA Drich Wrote:...And God provided a provision for all to separate themselves from satan as well, nullifying any claim or hold he could possible have.

....And yet he is also responsible for Satan's behavior for tempting them because he created Satan and allowed Satan to tempt them. He sure likes fucking with people doesn't he?

Furthermore he gave them no free choice because there is no such thing as free will.

Further-furthermore he isn't real.

(October 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Evie Wrote:

Drippy the Dripster AKA Drich\ Wrote:...And God provided a provision for all to separate themselves from satan as well, nullifying any claim or hold he could possible have.

....And yet he is also responsible for Satan's behavior for tempting them because he created Satan and allowed Satan to tempt them. He sure likes fucking with people doesn't he?

Furthermore he gave them no free choice because there is no such thing as free will.

Further-furthermore he isn't real.

That's my point. Their isn't free will. That is a greek construct and not a biblical doctrine.
We are slaves, as such we have been given one singular choice. (one choice fee will is not.) That choice is to either to continue to be a slave to sin, or to Serve/slave to God. Before we had no choice but to serve/Slave to sin.

(October 8, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Evie Wrote: ....And yet he is also responsible for Satan's behavior for tempting them because he created Satan and allowed Satan to tempt them. He sure likes fucking with people doesn't he?

Furthermore he gave them no free choice because there is no such thing as free will.

Further-furthermore he isn't real.

That's my point. Their isn't free will. That is a greek construct and not a biblical doctrine.
We are slaves, as such we have been given one singular choice. (one choice fee will is not.) That choice is to either to continue to be a slave to sin, or to Serve/slave to God. Before we had no choice but to serve/Slave to sin.

(October 8, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Evie Wrote: ....And yet he is also responsible for Satan's behavior for tempting them because he created Satan and allowed Satan to tempt them. He sure likes fucking with people doesn't he?

Furthermore he gave them no free choice because there is no such thing as free will.

Further-furthermore he isn't real.

That's my point. Their isn't free will. That is a greek construct and not a biblical doctrine.
We are slaves, as such we have been given one singular choice. (one choice fee will is not.) That choice is to either to continue to be a slave to sin, or to Serve/slave to God. Before we had no choice but to serve/Slave to sin.

That's disgusting advice Drich. No one should sub/slave anyone unless it's 100% consensual. Also, there needs to be a safeword.

Yeah God is clearly both a sicko and a BDSM and RP n00b

(October 8, 2015 at 2:10 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Drich Wrote: That's my point. Their isn't free will. That is a greek construct and not a biblical doctrine.
We are slaves, as such we have been given one singular choice. (one choice fee will is not.) That choice is to either to continue to be a slave to sin, or to Serve/slave to God. Before we had no choice but to serve/Slave to sin.

Actually the Epicurus of the Epicurean paradox died in 270BC, which means the 'god(s)' he was referring to had nothing to do with the God of the bible.

How can I say this with any measure of certainity? Let's look at the paradox in detail.

Quote:Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

In greek theology man is basically 'good' unless he is plundered by evil/evil influences. Which 300 years before Christianity is the way most people thought.

Not so in Christianity. In Christianity Man is the physical embodiement of evil.(Romans 3) To stop evil would be the end of all of man kind. Rather than end all evil, God atones for it. In effect He conquers Evil by paying the price for all evil man commits, and releases the sinner from it. IF we simply acknoweledge What God has done.

So how does the Epicurean paradox fail? It wrongly assumes that we are all basicly 'good' and not apart of the evil problem, which is consistant with the greek god/man relationship, but not true with Christianity. So in essence Evil has been conquered without the whole sale destruction of all who practice it.

 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus

Do you have a meme or youtube video to answer that?

(October 8, 2015 at 2:43 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 2:10 pm)dyresand Wrote:

Actually the Epicurus of the Epicurean paradox died in 270BC, which means the 'god(s)' he was referring to had nothing to do with the God of the bible.

How can I say this with any measure of certainity? Let's look at the paradox in detail.

Quote:Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

In greek theology man is basically 'good' unless he is plundered by evil/evil influences. Which 300 years before Christianity is the way most people thought.

Not so in Christianity. In Christianity Man is the physical embodiement of evil.(Romans 3) To stop evil would be the end of all of man kind. Rather than end all evil, God atones for it. In effect He conquers Evil by paying the price for all evil man commits, and releases the sinner from it. IF we simply acknoweledge What God has done.

So how does the Epicurean paradox fail? It wrongly assumes that we are all basicly 'good' and not apart of the evil problem, which is consistant with the greek god/man relationship, but not true with Christianity. So in essence Evil has been conquered without the whole sale destruction of all who practice it.

 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus

Do you have a meme or youtube video to answer that?

So... to start your argument was God allowing evil through the epicurean paradox, when I explain you are Evil incarnate before God, now you shift your goal post to natural disaster?

So then let me ask you.. What if Death was our birth into eternity? What then would our gestation period in this life matter?

does it truly matter looking at your whole life span, if you were born after a full 9 months or maybe a week or two ahead of time? Like wise if our death happens earlier than we like does that truly change who we are in eternity?

(October 8, 2015 at 4:11 pm)Drich Wrote: So... to start your argument was God allowing evil through the epicurean paradox, when I explain you are Evil incarnate before God, now you shift your goal post to natural disaster?

So then let me ask you.. What if Death was our birth into eternity? What then would our gestation period in this life matter?

does it truly matter looking at your whole life span, if you were born after a full 9 months or maybe a week or two ahead of time? Like wise if our death happens earlier than we like does that truly change who we are in eternity?

Either he doesn't care or he cant do anything or he simply doesn't exist which one is it.