(October 8, 2015 at 4:09 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 3:18 pm)Beccs Wrote: Eternity in a sauna or surrounded on a windy cloud, surrounded by winged budgie wannabes, playing harps?

Hmmmm....

the saved will live on a new earth with Jesus, not in the clouds. you read too many fairytales
and sauna is not an accurate description of hell
the choice is more like: eternity literally burning forever or on Earth in glorified immortal bodies with the God who loves me and created me to be exactly like this I did screwed it all up when I sinned but now God made it right
hmmm that's a no brainer

You know what, I was trying to get to the end of the thread before posting this, but I just can't. The stupid burns too much.

Here's the problem with your supposed eternal afterlife stories. The initial conditions don't fucking matter.

(October 8, 2015 at 10:22 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 4:03 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: people tortured and crucified him, but the good news is He has risen from the dead

Got any evidence for this claim? Real, testable, verifiable evidence. Not second-hand (at best) accounts of what some iron age goat herders claim their cousin's wife's sister saw.

no, but don't worry there will be a day when you will see Him in His glory.

(October 8, 2015 at 4:31 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Great job!  And I bet you wrote that yourself!  I'm going to try to create a few original ones, but I have to admit, I "stole" (oops, plagiarized, better 'fess up!!) these from this site:  Dave's Limerick Site    warning: some of 'em are pretty graphic.   

Dirty limericks? I know what I'm doing for the rest of the night.

A jaded old lady from Knox
Set dynamite off in her box
When asked the sensation
She screamed with elation
"It's better than elephant cocks!"

(October 8, 2015 at 10:26 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:22 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Got any evidence for this claim? Real, testable, verifiable evidence. Not second-hand (at best) accounts of what some iron age goat herders claim their cousin's wife's sister saw.

no, but don't worry there will be a day when you will see Him in His glory.

Got anything besides proselytising? Because this is a discussion forum, not a pulpit.

I find that link highly entertaining SnakeOilWarrior but the thing is eternal hell is either hellish forever or it isn't and eternal heaven is either heavenly forever or it isn't. Regardless of how we could imagine how possible it is. As soon as we describe a scenario where heaven becomes boring/vegetative or hell becomes boring/vegetative then we're not really talking about heaven/hell anymore.

Anyway it doesn't matter because there is no hell, there is no heaven and Pascal's Wager fails 100% and is no better or worse for the theists than the atheists.

(October 8, 2015 at 8:19 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Just for fun, what kind of god would be acceptable to you?

One that can be shown to actually, you know, exist.

(October 8, 2015 at 10:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:26 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: no, but don't worry there will be a day when you will see Him in His glory.

Got anything besides proselytising? Because this is a discussion forum, not a pulpit.

no
whats wrong with what i'm saying

(October 8, 2015 at 10:26 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:22 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Got any evidence for this claim? Real, testable, verifiable evidence. Not second-hand (at best) accounts of what some iron age goat herders claim their cousin's wife's sister saw.

no, but don't worry there will be a day when you will see Him in His glory.

So, if you have no evidence, why should I believe your claim? No, threats of hell don't count.

(October 8, 2015 at 10:41 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 8:19 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Just for fun, what kind of god would be acceptable to you?

One that can be shown to actually, you know, exist.

so we have to be able to actually visually see God for us to believe He is real?
but if God created us and space, time, and matter had a beginning and God is out of space, time, and matter how would that be possible?

(October 8, 2015 at 10:46 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 8, 2015 at 10:41 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: One that can be shown to actually, you know, exist.

so we have to be able to actually visually see God for us to believe He is real?
but if God created us and space, time, and matter had a beginning and God is out of space, time, and matter how would that be possible?

If your gawd can interact with the material world, it will leave traces. Those traces would be testable and verifiable making them evidence. You, by your own admission, have none.

Where did I ever claim your gawd has to be visible?