(October 10, 2015 at 9:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:What you're saying is that you hate God?

No, you obtuse dimwit. I'm saying that, according to the words of your very own book, God hates humanity. Think about it (thinking isn't scary, just approach it slowly): John 3:16 has God condemning the majority of humanity to an eternity of torment. I don't believe that Jesus is God, full stop. I came to this conclusion by the exercise of reason. You would have God punishing me for the use of one of the gifts your lot claim he provided.

Additionally, a rejection of God is an exercise of free will. Your kind are always prattling on (and I do mean 'always') about how God has granted us free will. Well, what is the point of free will if God has created an out-of-proportion punishment for its use?

Boru

you're really condescending btw. i think you should show some respect regardless if you agree with me or not.
and I feel like you skip the whole part where you can have everlasting life.
that's a head scratcher how you deduced that God hates us. How is dying for all mankind hate?
I think you're scared because you're not really sure hell or God is real, and my view is that your very belief depends on your destiny for eternity.

(October 10, 2015 at 9:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 9:33 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Fuck, man, how dense can you be?

We cannot hate God, since no gods are real. We don't hate Jehovah any more than you hate Ganesha or Shiva or Thor.

On the other hand, we can be astounded at how barbaric and brutal your descriptions of this fictional character (around whom you have chosen to center your life and ideologies) are. 

If you told me you worshiped Darth Vader, I'd question why you followed a guy who liked to Force-choke people who disagreed with him.

And you would reply "Why do you hate Vader?" And I would stare at you like your brain came out of your nose.

We shouldn't believe our history books. We should look at what each book has to say, compare it to other books (and primary literature, if we see discrepancies between the versions told in the history books), and form an idea of what history really is based on how strong the case is of each thing we in society think we know about history. The same is true of any books.

And if a person told me they had read only one history book, and then decided that was the only  history book worth reading, I'd stare at them like their brains came out of their nose.

oh ok so you could care less about what I have to say about my beliefs. I understand now.

The bible is 66 books put together btw, not just one.

Stop making up shit I didn't say.

If I "could care less about what [you] have to say", then I wouldn't respond to it at all. 

I just think your views are idiotic.

And regardless of whether the Bible is made up of numerous documents, it's still just one source-book, one outlook of information. And indeed, it not only disagrees internally but disagrees with a huge number of other historians and archaeologists, not to mention containing some really awful and blatantly incorrect science (Genesis 30, the story of Jacob with Laban's Flocks, remains my favorite example). No matter how "comprehensive" a particular tome may be, it is still one source, and only a complete fool would consider the views taken from it valid on that basis alone.

The Cambridge Ancient History  is ninteen books, each much larger than the Bible, and immaculately researched, yet I would consider you a fool if that's the only source of your ideas about history.

(October 9, 2015 at 6:30 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:

(October 9, 2015 at 2:34 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: I'm not convinced m.h. I think you should change your religious views to southern baptist.

If southern baptists are kjv bible Christians then sure

Around a quarter do. 
Isn't that something you should know?

(October 10, 2015 at 9:51 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 9:40 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: oh ok so you could care less about what I have to say about my beliefs. I understand now.

The bible is 66 books put together btw, not just one.

Stop making up shit I didn't say.

If I "could care less about what [you] have to say", then I wouldn't respond to it at all. 

I just think your views are idiotic.

And regardless of whether the Bible is made up of numerous documents, it's still just one source-book, one outlook of information. And indeed, it not only disagrees internally but disagrees with a huge number of other historians and archaeologists, not to mention containing some really awful and blatantly incorrect science (Genesis 30, the story of Jacob with Laban's Flocks, remains my favorite example). No matter how "comprehensive" a particular tome may be, it is still one source, and only a complete fool would consider the views taken from it valid on that basis alone.

The Cambridge Ancient History  is ninteen books, each much larger than the Bible, and immaculately researched, yet I would consider you a fool if that's the only source of your ideas about history.

Hey hey 

christianity = making shit up, stealing from other myths, lying, saying terrible acts such as slavery child sacrifice and killing ones children and bashing babies over the rocks and killing homosexuals is fine. 

Of  course OP is going to lie to make his argument look set in stone.

(October 10, 2015 at 9:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: you're really condescending btw. i think you should show some respect regardless if you agree with me or not.
and I feel like you skip the whole part where you can have everlasting life.
that's a head scratcher how you deduced that God hates us. How is dying for all mankind hate?
I think you're scared because you're not really sure hell or God is real, and my view is that your very belief depends on your destiny for eternity.

It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel. Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language. Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.

3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?

Romans 8: 21 Wrote:Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him.

(October 10, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 9:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: you're really condescending btw. i think you should show some respect regardless if you agree with me or not.
and I feel like you skip the whole part where you can have everlasting life.
that's a head scratcher how you deduced that God hates us. How is dying for all mankind hate?
I think you're scared because you're not really sure hell or God is real, and my view is that your very belief depends on your destiny for eternity.

It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel.  Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language.  Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.

3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?

Romans 8: 21 Wrote:Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him.

Bravo Rhonda!  Brilliant response.  
May I add a picture?

(October 10, 2015 at 12:17 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel.  Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language.  Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.

3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?


God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him.

Bravo Rhonda!  Brilliant response.  
May I add a picture?

Meh... a tin can in Low Earth Orbit is no big deal. God can tolerate that.

Maybe they were building this:





Quick! Cancel NASA's funding now!! GOD WILLS IT!!!

(October 10, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 9:48 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: you're really condescending btw. i think you should show some respect regardless if you agree with me or not.
and I feel like you skip the whole part where you can have everlasting life.
that's a head scratcher how you deduced that God hates us. How is dying for all mankind hate?
I think you're scared because you're not really sure hell or God is real, and my view is that your very belief depends on your destiny for eternity.

It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel.  Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language.  Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.

3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?

Romans 8: 21 Wrote:Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him.

Let's bring down the argument. 

Quote:1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.

The part is true,because this place is anti-religious ,the blue bit is were you go wrong one can pretend to ridicule them even if they are true.
If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.(True) but his here to spread the word,his not looking for any respect he doesn't care if someone here does not respect it,any way God has given each one free will.

Quote:2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel.  Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language.  Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.

The answer is simple—we are without excuse since we sin too (Romans 3:23; 5:12), and we all deserve death before a perfect Holy God. To assume Adam’s descendants are innocent is a false assumption. Due to the sin nature received from Adam, death is coming for all since all have sinned (Romans 3:23).They were working together peacefully,but earlier on they dis-obeyed God's word to spread out,But man resisted and rebelled against that commandment: in Gen. 11:4, it says,"Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make a name(for ourselves) lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." False Jesus did not make anyone sick.

Quote:3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?

Romans 8: 21 Wrote:Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Incorrect verse

Romans 8:21 says

that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.Romans 8:21

Thats Romans 9:21

Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

Here it isn't saying anything that God created us to hate,but just showing that he has every right over us

(October 10, 2015 at 12:39 pm)Randys brother Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 10:51 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: It is you who have missed 3 very important points here.
1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.
2. God set Adam up in the first place. Why should a man who has no sense of right and wrong be punished? Even after Adam's so-called fall, we were doing fine, working together peacefully at the tower of Babel.  Your god saw this and was so intimidated by what we might accomplish that he confused our language.  Jesus' death is like a doctor who makes you sick only so you can feel grateful when he makes you well.

3. Based on what the Bible itself says, we can only conclude that the god Christians have created hates humanity and even created us for the specific purpose that he needed something to hate. Example?


God doesn't do things out of love or justice. As one poster called him, that "draconian psychopath" does things because he has the power and no one can stop him.

Let's bring down the argument. 

Quote:1. This is an atheist forum. Religion is not respected here for its own sake. If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them. If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.

The part is true,because this place is anti-religious ,the blue bit is were you go wrong one can pretend to ridicule them even if they are true.
If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.(True) but his here to spread the word,his not looking for any respect he doesn't care if someone here does not respect it,any way God has given each one free will.

I chopped out the rest because it was about the wholly babble.   
If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them.   "the blue bit is were you go wrong one can pretend to ridicule them even if they are true."
Um. Do you know what fiat credulity means?

(October 10, 2015 at 12:45 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 12:39 pm)Randys brother Wrote: Let's bring down the argument. 


The part is true,because this place is anti-religious ,the blue bit is were you go wrong one can pretend to ridicule them even if they are true.
If you want your religious views to be respected then you should go to a Christian web forum.(True) but his here to spread the word,his not looking for any respect he doesn't care if someone here does not respect it,any way God has given each one free will.

I chopped out the rest because it was about the wholly babble.   
If your arguments cannot stand without fiat credulity, we will ridicule them.   "the blue bit is were you go wrong one can pretend to ridicule them even if they are true."
Um. Do you know what fiat credulity means?

Um. Do you know what am talking about
Yes I know what fiat credulity mean,I would define it as a solid will,wanting to believe and for you just the opposite.