(October 11, 2015 at 12:27 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 9:33 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:4-5

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19

You know, I'm getting a little tired of you Bible Idolators coming in here with your prideful ignorance and telling me that I'm evil, my friends are evil, and that we love darkness. 

Same for all such equivalent statements you Bible Idolators make against us!

How prideful you are! You think you speak for God because you have the Napkin.

How prideful you are! You think you represent the forces of Light because the Napkin tells you so.

How prideful you are! You worship every word in there, and think no one else can comprehend the Napkin.

How prideful you are! You think you already have all the answers, and admit you are incapable of changing your mind.

How prideful you are! You are so certain, in your pride of ignorance, that you won't even acknowledge answers staring you in the face.

How ashamed I would be to walk through this world, carrying around so much pride and ignorance.

Go somewhere else to worship your Napkin. We read other books, here.

Brother Rocket,
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ. I can't wait to do some fun activities with you in the Kingdom!

(October 11, 2015 at 12:04 am)Starvald Demelain Wrote: Just a Poe boy from a Poe family.

No, we will not let him Poe.

Let him Poe!

We will not let him Poe.

Let him Poe!

Let him Poe, Poe, Poe, Poe, Poe!

I pretty much just skimmed the OP because from what I could tell it's basically Sunday Morning Drivel, but something he said in there reminded me of something that recently occurred to me.


Ok, so Jehovah is said to be the ultimate source of all goodness and morality (especially morality) in the Universe, right? He's, like, the most moral it's possible to be, right?


The test of salvation, however, is apparently not one of morality, but one of belief. Many Christians and sects of Christianity hold to the idea that even very good people who don't believe in Gaud and accept Jesus will wind up in Hell, and that even truly evil people who convert on their death beds and do no good works will wind up in Heaven. If that's true, it essentially means that Gaud completely ignores how moral one's behavior is and instead only really looks at what you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth.


Now, that does beg the question...why in the FUCK would the penultimate moral force of the Universe base salvation on a position of belief rather than the morality of one's behavior?


"Oh, because human morality is so flawed that it will never measure up, so he has to base our salvation on something else for us to even have a chance."


So you're telling me that the ultimate source of all morality, the Universe's most moral being, is able to ignore and forgive gross immorality because of an utterly arbitrary standard that has literally nothing to do with morality, and that he is completely unwilling to forgive even the smallest infraction unless that utterly arbitrary standard is met, and that this is somehow still a moral being? A moral being who sends otherwise bad people to Heaven and otherwise good people to Hell, all over a matter of whether they can believe something on bad evidence and not whether they can be moral people? How does that even begin to make sense?

(October 10, 2015 at 3:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(October 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'Yea, and the wise man shouteth it from the rooftops.'  Borudians 26:20

Boru

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
--Mt 5:22

Sounds like a contradiction doesn’t it? But you need to understand the biblical situation, when scanning the scripture take these into consideration who is saying it? Who is he saying it to?, what else did he say at that time, while in speech? Did he just say “hello” or did he say “hello, how are you” and why did he say it?
"The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good." Psalm 14:1
And verse
"You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold?" Matthew 23:17
Which seem to contradict Matthew 5:22 which you stated?
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Matthew 5:22
In Mathew 5:22 Jesus teaches that you should not call anyone a fool, contextually He was speaking of those who were unrighteous angry. That is why Jesus mentions anger in this verse. So there is anger which is just and is not sinful (Eph 4:26) and then we have the wrong type of anger, which is sinful (James 1:20) When God is angry with someone, He is always righteous in His anger. Jesus, being God in flesh (John 1:1, 14, 20:28, Col. 2:9), can righteously be angry with people and pronounce upon them the foolishness of their deeds--which He did (Matt. 23:17). Also, undoubtedly, Jesus knew Psalm 14:1 which says, "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God' . . . '" Jesus didn't forget the well-known verse, and God is not wrong for calling someone a fool, especially when it is true.
In conclusion we see that what Jesus condemned is when calling someone a fool, without righteousness, which does not fit the later citations of Jesus' labelling the hypocritical Pharisees as fools.
I have every right to call a person who does unjust, things a fool and also to advice (James 5:19) then you will throw (Matthew 7:1) Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (Matt. 7:1-5)
Now don’t be fool think, break it down, it becomes clear that Jesus was not telling his disciples that they could not ever judge the behavior of others. Rather, he was cautioning them to live righteous lives themselves so that their judgment of others’ behavior would not be rash judgment and their efforts would be effective in admonishing their neighbors.
Let’s, look at the first line of the verse, “Judge not, that you be not judged”. This can also be constructed to mean that a person may escape even God’s judgment simply by not judging the behavior of others, but everyone is judged by God, so this cannot be a proper understanding, Jesus then goes and makes his statement in a positive way “With the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Jesus does expects his disciples to judge but he warns that they, too, will be judged in a like manner. So it means that if I correct you with the right reason, it will glorify God, but if I correct you falsely, it means that it will not glorify God but only add to his anger.

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Why does atheism exist?

• Atheism exist's because of people's pride.
  
• So that have obey God's rules.
  
• So that they don't have obey there Father and Mother.
  
• So that they can watch Porn.
  
• So that can show that there cool.
  

(October 11, 2015 at 5:11 am)Randys brother Wrote: Sounds like a contradiction doesn’t it? But you need to understand the biblical situation, when scanning the scripture take these into consideration who is saying it? Who is he saying it to?, what else did he say at that time, while in speech? Did he just say “hello” or did he say “hello, how are you” and why did he say it?
"The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good." Psalm 14:1
And verse
"You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold?" Matthew 23:17
Which seem to contradict Matthew 5:22 which you stated?
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Matthew 5:22
In Mathew 5:22 Jesus teaches that you should not call anyone a fool, contextually He was speaking of those who were unrighteous angry. That is why Jesus mentions anger in this verse. So there is anger which is just and is not sinful (Eph 4:26) and then we have the wrong type of anger, which is sinful (James 1:20) When God is angry with someone, He is always righteous in His anger. Jesus, being God in flesh (John 1:1, 14, 20:28, Col. 2:9), can righteously be angry with people and pronounce upon them the foolishness of their deeds--which He did (Matt. 23:17). Also, undoubtedly, Jesus knew Psalm 14:1 which says, "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God' . . . '" Jesus didn't forget the well-known verse, and God is not wrong for calling someone a fool, especially when it is true.
In conclusion we see that what Jesus condemned is when calling someone a fool, without righteousness, which does not fit the later citations of Jesus' labelling the hypocritical Pharisees as fools.
I have every right to call a person who does unjust, things a fool and also to advice (James 5:19) then you will throw (Matthew 7:1) Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (Matt. 7:1-5)
Now don’t be fool think, break it down, it becomes clear that Jesus was not telling his disciples that they could not ever judge the behavior of others. Rather, he was cautioning them to live righteous lives themselves so that their judgment of others’ behavior would not be rash judgment and their efforts would be effective in admonishing their neighbors.
Let’s, look at the first line of the verse, “Judge not, that you be not judged”. This can also be constructed to mean that a person may escape even God’s judgment simply by not judging the behavior of others, but everyone is judged by God, so this cannot be a proper understanding, Jesus then goes and makes his statement in a positive way “With the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Jesus does expects his disciples to judge but he warns that they, too, will be judged in a like manner. So it means that if I correct you with the right reason, it will glorify God, but if I correct you falsely, it means that it will not glorify God but only add to his anger.

Needs more green font.

(October 11, 2015 at 6:29 am)Randys brother Wrote: Why does atheism exist?

• Atheism exist's because of people's pride.
  
• So that have obey God's rules.
  
• So that they don't have obey there Father and Mother.
  
• So that they can watch Porn.
  
• So that can show that there cool.
  

Aside from the actual bollocks that you are spewing:

exists not exist's
"have to obey" not "have obey"
their not there
"that they can" not "that can"
they're not there


0/10 Must try harder

(October 11, 2015 at 6:29 am)Randys brother Wrote: Why does atheism exist?

• Atheism exist's because of people's pride.
  
• So that have obey God's rules.
  
• So that they don't have obey there Father and Mother.
  
• So that they can watch Porn.
  
• So that can show that there cool.
  

Thank you, Randall's brethren. I had no idea! I thought I was an atheist because I couldn't find sufficient evidence for god's existence, but now I see that it was all just my longing for adequacy among the proud disobedient atheistic porn-watching peers I don't have! Thank you so much! You've opened my eyes with your clearly superior knowledge of my own motives! I'm forever in debt.

Rhonda, you meant to say Atheistforums.org, not atheistforums.com (God forbid!) hehe

Quote:The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Then why does the lord arrange things so that some people can never repent? 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12.

If you reply to this, don't make the mistake of telling me I'm using the verse out of context. It is perfectly in context - God deludes people into false belief for the express purpose of condemning them.

Boru