(October 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 11, 2015 at 11:10 pm)Losty Wrote: Is it reasonable for someone who has had those experiences to realize that it was just wishful thinking?

if a person has convincing evidence that the experience is just wishful thinking then yes it is reasonable for someone to believe it is wishful thinking .

What would constitute evidence that it is wishful thinking?

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(October 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 8:50 am)Evie Wrote: I heard a voice once when someone who was talking to me had a second copy of their voice talking over the top of them but saying something completely different and things that only I could know... but in their voice. It felt really real and scary but I could tell it was my mind playing tricks because the 2nd voice didn't sync with them, because it made no sense and because it was about private stuff only I know about.

it is sad and amazes me how so many people are not open to the possibility of God and attribute everything to their " mind playing tricks on them " despite their mind never doing such a thing before or after and despite other people not experiencing such a mind trick .

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Actually, such experiences are fairly common. Plenty of people have them. (Especially when waking/falling asleep.) But if you discount the ones you run into that have had such experiences as rare, you'll go on thinking they're rare even though you've encountered a number of people who have had such experiences. You've already met two in this forum, and that's just the people who have spoken out.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:38 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)jenny1972 Wrote: if a person has convincing evidence that the experience is just wishful thinking then yes it is reasonable for someone to believe it is wishful thinking .

What would constitute evidence that it is wishful thinking?

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(October 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)jenny1972 Wrote: it is sad and amazes me how so many people are not open to the possibility of God and attribute everything to their " mind playing tricks on them " despite their mind never doing such a thing before or after and despite other people not experiencing such a mind trick .

[emphasis mine]

Actually, such experiences are fairly common.  Plenty of people have them. (Especially when waking/falling asleep.) But if you discount the ones you run into that have had such experiences as rare, you'll go on thinking they're rare even though you've encountered a number of people who have had such experiences.  You've already met two in this forum, and that's just the people who have spoken out.

the first person admitted that it was during a time of waking up from sleep so its reasonable to assume that its simply a remnant of a dream he was having , but the other one reported it happening during a time of wakefulness while in a conversation with someone which ive never heard of happening and if it never happened before or since then i would think you would at least question whether it was simply a mind trick that never repeated itself for some reason .

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(October 12, 2015 at 11:38 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)jenny1972 Wrote: if a person has convincing evidence that the experience is just wishful thinking then yes it is reasonable for someone to believe it is wishful thinking .

What would constitute evidence that it is wishful thinking?

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(October 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)jenny1972 Wrote: it is sad and amazes me how so many people are not open to the possibility of God and attribute everything to their " mind playing tricks on them " despite their mind never doing such a thing before or after and despite other people not experiencing such a mind trick .

[emphasis mine]

Actually, such experiences are fairly common.  Plenty of people have them. (Especially when waking/falling asleep.) But if you discount the ones you run into that have had such experiences as rare, you'll go on thinking they're rare even though you've encountered a number of people who have had such experiences.  You've already met two in this forum, and that's just the people who have spoken out.

evidence that it is just my own wishful thinking would be if i were the only person that experienced something and noone else did or scientific proof that the thoughts were coming from my own mind .

(October 12, 2015 at 11:47 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:38 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: What would constitute evidence that it is wishful thinking?

evidence that it is just my own wishful thinking would be if i were the only person that experienced something and noone else did or scientific proof that the thoughts were coming from my own mind .

So what experiences of God have you had that you were not alone in having?

(October 12, 2015 at 11:33 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:05 am)Losty Wrote: I didn't need any evidence to prove that it was god speaking to me in my mind.

Isn't the fact that it's going on in my mind evidence enough that it's wishful thinking?
Everything that happens within your mind is something created by your mind, right?

no not if your mind doesnt recognize the thoughts as a product of itself , who is more of an expert on your mind and thoughts other than your own mind ? yes usually everything in your mind is created by your mind that is why when something is not your mind takes notice and recognizes it as different .

I think that's called disassociative identity disorder or DID.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:59 am)Losty Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:33 am)jenny1972 Wrote: no not if your mind doesnt recognize the thoughts as a product of itself , who is more of an expert on your mind and thoughts other than your own mind ? yes usually everything in your mind is created by your mind that is why when something is not your mind takes notice and recognizes it as different .

I think that's called disassociative identity disorder or DID.

yes just like atheists consider everyone who believes in God as suffering from delusional disorder

(October 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:59 am)Losty Wrote: I think that's called disassociative identity disorder or DID.

yes just like atheists consider everyone who believes in God as suffering from delusional disorder

No I do not. But if you're hearing voices in your head that are not your own you may be deluding yourself.

(October 12, 2015 at 11:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:47 am)jenny1972 Wrote: evidence that it is just my own wishful thinking would be if i were the only person that experienced something and noone else did or scientific proof that the thoughts were coming from my own mind .

So what experiences of God have you had that you were not alone in having?

communication with God and witnessing unnatural physical phenomenon

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(October 12, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes just like atheists consider everyone who believes in God as suffering from delusional disorder

No I do not. But if you're hearing voices in your head that are not your own you may be deluding yourself.

or i could be right

(October 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:59 am)Losty Wrote: I think that's called disassociative identity disorder or DID.

yes just like atheists consider everyone who believes in God as suffering from delusional disorder

Well, sort of.   But dis-associative identity disorder has been extensively studied and is listed as an actual disorder by the American Psychiatric Association.  Holding onto dogmas is not considered a disorder.   Yet.   

(October 12, 2015 at 12:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Losty Wrote: No I do not. But if you're hearing voices in your head that are not your own you may be deluding yourself.

or i could be right

Sure, but I have no reason to believe that you are.

(October 12, 2015 at 12:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 12, 2015 at 11:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: So what experiences of God have you had that you were not alone in having?

communication with God and witnessing unnatural physical phenomenon

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(October 12, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Losty Wrote: No I do not. But if you're hearing voices in your head that are not your own you may be deluding yourself.

or i could be right

Specifics, please.