Atlas: I can't understand very much of what you wrote, but... slaves? You think we're born slaves? That is a really depressing outlook your religion is giving you.

Somehow I've escaped being a slave by simply ignoring the fact that I'm supposed to be a slave. Seems to be working so far.

It certainly isn't anything like a normal relationship then, it's us being pushed around by a slave driver for his own amusement. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not in a hurry to worship such a thing.

Quote:i never said a toaster could convince me it was God i said that if it did (which it couldnt) then i would believe .

Give me the ability to torture and kill anyone who disputes the Holy Power of the Toaster (With It's Warm Life-Giving Bread) and I could have a whole society professing to believe in short order.  I would also have the ability to indoctrinate the children into the cult - the proceeds of which I would split with the king - and no one would oppose me. 

In such way are people controlled.

(October 13, 2015 at 11:49 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: * puts a shiny toaster in front of miss kitty * 

Well, sis, I think you're a brave little toaster
...you're sure to help us find our way back home (smiles)

To the Flake sisters ... I think you're both cool! You know why? Because you have a good relationship with each other ...like a tag team! I like that.
The reason poor ol' Jen's copping it is because she's telling us stuff, and no-one is saying that she isn't genuine, it's just that the claims she makes have no basis in reality.
There is no such thing as a supernatural event, right? Everything that happens in our universe MUST be natural. There's also no such things as Disney style magic. right?

But ALL of the claims can be explained quite easily. It's the elephant in the room really. "It's all in the mind". Thinking you are having a personal relationship with a deity or a ghost or even a snowflake is completely indistinguishable from having random ideas and thoughts in one's head.
To say that it cannot be, must mean that the person having these experiences is profoundly knowledgeable of the most intimate workings of the most complex and creative organ in existence. The human mind. Let's start there shall we...

(October 14, 2015 at 6:49 am)ignoramus Wrote: To the Flake sisters ... I think you're both cool! You know why? Because you have a good relationship with each other ...like a tag team!  I like that.
The reason poor ol' Jen's copping it is because she's telling us stuff...

Yeah, you know how many times I've sent her this video, she doesn't listen to me 





...but she's always been more of an "I'll do it however I want" type of girl  >http://atheistforums.org/thread-37060-po...pid1082338

Aw, thank you for the toaster, great toaster guru!  Oh, but the cute little toaster is TOO shiny!!  We have to make sure that the bread crumbs are in the right place, you know.  Great toaster guru, teach me to pray!!  C'mon, you get this to work every day, you said so yourself!!  What's the secret?

best toaster ever !!

(October 14, 2015 at 10:35 am)vorlon13 Wrote: best toaster ever !!



Surely there is a parable hidden in that   

(October 14, 2015 at 6:49 am)ignoramus Wrote: To the Flake sisters ... I think you're both cool! You know why? Because you have a good relationship with each other ...like a tag team!  I like that.
The reason poor ol' Jen's copping it is because she's telling us stuff, and no-one is saying that she isn't genuine, it's just that the claims she makes have no basis in reality.
There is no such thing as a supernatural event, right? Everything that happens in our universe MUST be natural. There's also no such things as Disney style magic. right?

But ALL of the claims can be explained quite easily. It's the elephant in the room really. "It's all in the mind".  Thinking you are having a personal relationship with a deity or a ghost or even a snowflake is completely indistinguishable from having random ideas and thoughts in one's head.
To say that it cannot be, must mean that the person having these experiences is profoundly knowledgeable of the most intimate workings of the most complex and creative organ in existence. The human mind. Let's start there shall we...

but just because another person does not understand or accept something as true doesnt mean that it is not real . for example say that you moved to another location and could not find your pet to take with you and a month later your pet shows up on your new doorstep (some have claimed such a thing has happened to them) . although you know its true and think its  amazing , some people would not believe this story and be convinced it was all made up . disbelief by some people does not mean it did not happen or is not real it only means others are not convinced of it . why should i be persuaded to not believe just because you are not convinced and dont think its real ?

everyone has an opinion should i just disregard my own direct experiences and leech onto someone elses opinion theory or disbelief about it ?

(October 14, 2015 at 11:25 am)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 14, 2015 at 6:49 am)ignoramus Wrote: To the Flake sisters ... I think you're both cool! You know why? Because you have a good relationship with each other ...like a tag team!  I like that.
The reason poor ol' Jen's copping it is because she's telling us stuff, and no-one is saying that she isn't genuine, it's just that the claims she makes have no basis in reality.
There is no such thing as a supernatural event, right? Everything that happens in our universe MUST be natural. There's also no such things as Disney style magic. right?

But ALL of the claims can be explained quite easily. It's the elephant in the room really. "It's all in the mind".  Thinking you are having a personal relationship with a deity or a ghost or even a snowflake is completely indistinguishable from having random ideas and thoughts in one's head.
To say that it cannot be, must mean that the person having these experiences is profoundly knowledgeable of the most intimate workings of the most complex and creative organ in existence. The human mind. Let's start there shall we...

but just because another person does not understand or accept something as true doesnt mean that it is not real . for example say that you moved to another location and could not find your pet to take with you and a month later your pet shows up on your new doorstep (some have claimed such a thing has happened to them) . although you know its true and think its  amazing , some people would not believe this story and be convinced it was all made up . disbelief by some people does not mean it did not happen or is not real it only means others are not convinced of it . why should i be persuaded to not believe just because you are not convinced and dont think its real ?

everyone has an opinion should i just disregard my own direct experiences and leech onto someone elses theory or disbelief about it ?

Ah, now THERE, great toaster guru, was a truly worthy question.   Although perhaps I should not reply, because you have not shared the secret of gaining an answer to prayer which most of the world lacks . . . I must be unworthy.   Your experience is personal and your own - - do you even have the POWER to disregard it?  If your experience can lead us to the same numinous light, find a way to teach.  

If you have no way, but want to be a beloved member of AF forums, then emulate the behavior of our favorite christian members: state your experience when asked about it, and if someone says they don't believe you, drop it and join in a game of mafia.