(October 15, 2015 at 4:16 pm)Evie Wrote: Oh I see. God only steps up for people who are already credulous enough to believe in that shit.

How convenient

God can step up and try a million times but if your convinced God cannot exist and there has to be some other explanation it doesnt matter how many times . if you will only be convinced through science youll have to wait until science becomes interested

(October 15, 2015 at 4:35 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 15, 2015 at 4:16 pm)Evie Wrote: Oh I see. God only steps up for people who are already credulous enough to believe in that shit.

How convenient

God can step up and try a million times but if your convinced God cannot exist and there has to be some other explanation it doesnt matter how many times . if you will only be convinced through science youll have to wait until science becomes interested

It seems as if you're dodging an awful lot.

(October 15, 2015 at 4:15 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 15, 2015 at 3:50 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Any god that wants us to believe he exists, would know what kind of evidence each of us would accept. 

Funny, how the only evidence theists seem to provide is: ancient texts, anecdotal, personal experience of believers, claims of miracles, and flawed philosophical arguments.

Why doesn't your god step up?

God has stepped up for some people which is why we believe . fairies havent stepped up so we dont believe in them . why do you think we believe in God?

FSM has stepped up way more and claimed so.  Your god is so weak and puny.  May FSM fill your heart.

(October 15, 2015 at 4:20 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Man, I love being ignored...

Right?  





This is the video I send her when I'm feeling ignored

(October 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Hmmm? Wrote:

(October 15, 2015 at 4:20 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Man, I love being ignored...

Right?  





This is the perfect description

In this case, it's more like "Do You Want to Build a Straw Man?"

(October 15, 2015 at 4:26 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:

(October 15, 2015 at 4:01 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Excellent question.

I was going to post something similar earlier on after she posted something to the effect, "Well, they've never been proven to be hoaxes". 

Which I'm sure she has no clue what the problems with that statement are.

well if someone is assuming that something is a hoax i was wondering where that assumption comes from its a valid question . was it proven to be a hoax ? or is it a personal judgement that it must be a hoax ?

It doesn't work that way. 

When an extraordinary supernatural claim is made, it is up to those making the claim to support the claim. It is not up to those that are skeptical to prove the claim false. 

The default position for any supernatural claim is to disbelieve it, until it is proven true. Not to believe it, until proven false.

Jenny,

Science would be interested in testing God if He were scientifically testable. The religious scientists would be particularly interested, but even the nonreligious ones would.

So Jenny, have you thought about the possibility of you being wrong? Of you one day realizing that your experiences of God are invalid and not real? I suspect that if this happens actually, it won't be a sudden realization - what will probably happen is that sense of conviction that you feel God exits and your trust in the validity of your experiences over time, will fade away. I only hope that one day you will see the light!

(October 15, 2015 at 4:20 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Man, I love being ignored...

well sorry im 1 person who is in a debate against 10 people what did you ask again?

(October 15, 2015 at 4:35 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: [...] if you will only be convinced through science youll have to wait until science becomes interested

So you're just going to ignore the fact, which has been pointed out to you a number of times, that there are A LOT of scientists, who believe in god? Why aren't they making any progress in that respect?

Well funded organizations like Discovery Institute (http://www.discovery.org/), promote "scientific" efforts aimed at proving religious claims - as futile as they are. And people seem to be treating religion pretty damn serious - to the point of killing each other by thousands and millions over it.

Again, if there is any evidence of god, believe me - science is very interested in it. So produce it and we can talk...

(October 15, 2015 at 3:41 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:

(October 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: how do you know the examples listed were hoaxes they were not proven as hoaxes isnt it just likely you are assuming they are hoaxes because they do not fit into the world view that you have created and to think they are anything other than a hoax would challenge that ?

Be honest here, Jenny. Do you honestly hear a story about a miracle that occurs at the Hindu festival, and think to yourself "Ohmygosh! The Hindu gods have power! They must be right!!" or do you presume that something else is going on?

When we skeptics look at the "miracle" that the Hindus claim, and prove it was a natural phenomenon, after all, how do you think the True Believers™ among the Hindi see us? Do you think they might say the same stuff to you that you say to us?

And yet, I bet you'd come to this same conclusion:

Quote:Seeking to explain the phenomenon, scientists from India's Ministry of Science and Technology travelled to a temple in New Delhi and made an offering of milk containing a food colouring. As the level of liquid in the spoon dropped, the scientists hypothesized that after the milk disappeared from the spoon, it coated the statue beneath where the spoon was placed. With this result, the scientists offered capillary action as an explanation; the surface tension of the milk was pulling the liquid up and out of the spoon, before gravity caused it to run down the front of the statue. Mr. Prabir Ghosh was one of the people to demonstrate how the Hindus were coaxed into believing the miracle. He quoted on the phenomenon after his explanation - "See what it is that the gurus and swamis are up to!"

Quoting self to save time.