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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 10:40 pm
I got a hunnert too. Although I admit I took a 50/50 on the Maimonides question, I forgot.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 10:44 pm
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OP:
I see little point in answering unsubstantiated and fantastic claims.
Do you answer claims made by Buddhists about the Wheel of Life and karma? Do you debunk Santa Claus?
Of course not. Some things are too silly to consider much.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 10:50 pm
(October 18, 2015 at 10:28 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Having just taken the quiz linked above and gotten 100% correct, I challenge Delicate to take the same quiz.
www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0105/Are-you-smarter-than-an-atheist-A-religious-quiz/When-does-the-Jewish-Sabbath-begin
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:02 pm
(October 18, 2015 at 10:50 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 18, 2015 at 10:28 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Having just taken the quiz linked above and gotten 100% correct, I challenge Delicate to take the same quiz.
www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0105/Are-you-smarter-than-an-atheist-A-religious-quiz/When-does-the-Jewish-Sabbath-begin
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I got 1 wrong. Picked Billy Graham because I had no clue what the first great awakening referred to.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:04 pm
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:22 pm
I see your point. However, I'd point out that in an internet forum, we're often being asked to rehash something we've personally gone over many, many times, yet the argument is "fresh" to the new person tossing the argument our way. It's not worth getting into the nitty-gritty of the argument unless we seriously believe that the person is interested in real discussion, and not simply throwing a machinegun belt of bullet-points our way, most of which turn out to be total bunkum (e.g. "it's true because it says so", or "well we have a more-or-less single narrative by 20 years after the Jesus events, so we can thus rely on how much the gospels that followed agree with Q/Mark, and call that evidence for the accuracy of the events being described", or "I feel it so it must be the way I feel", or worst of all, "there's no evidence for evolution so the Bible must be right"), only to ignore what we say when we explain why those are bunkum.
That's not to say there are not good arguments to be made in favor of theological positions; it's only to say that typically, in an internet discussion, the theists who come to an atheist board are more interested in preaching their preconceptions at us than they are in listening to our replies... after a lot of this, occurring again and again, it shouldn't surprise you that we don't bother with serious replies and simply explain to theists that we can't tell a difference between most of their claims and that of someone telling us that aliens talk to them, or that Santa Claus is real, etc. It's not mere mockery, but an attempt to explain why we don't want to get into the level of detail that's being asked of us.
I appreciate your candor, and your willingness to acknowledge that it's not unique to atheist boards. I, too, make corrections; for instance, I used to be a Jesus Mythicist (or minimalist), and I have since revised my position on that matter, having found the preponderance of the evidence to be that there likely was a Rabbi Yeshua who preached a Messianic message and was summarily crucified by Pilate (or by his men... I pretty strongly doubt the whole Sanhedrin/public trial thing, since that's not how the Romans usually handled rebellious criminals, and it strikes me as far more likely that someone might have simply mentioned it to one of Pilate's lower-level administrative officers, who said "Who? Yeah nail him up."), and given the extraordinary claims of the story (darkness, earthquake, zombies) that the other historians in Jerusalem at the time somehow failed to notice, it strikes me as an ad hoc explanation put together by the followers of the rabbi after he was killed, to explain why they hadn't just been idiots following a false Messiah. In the next 20 years, they cobbled together a fairly coherent story that began to be accepted by enough new adherents that it was finally written down in a coherent form.
And yet, I hear arguments straight out of the Gospels, claiming we can know what happened based on what the claims made are... it simply does not follow, logically, and requires that we overlook too many other factors. But I've never gotten a Christian to admit this. The deflection I see is that they want to talk about only the stuff that looks probable (e.g. the crucifixion) while ignoring all the stuff that's clearly not plausible yet is part of the same claim. After a while, I kinda give up trying to do so. I'm less inclined to simply insult people who make the same arguments I've seen, over and over, repeating apologist literature I've long since read, but it's tempting.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:29 pm
(October 18, 2015 at 10:40 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I got a hunnert too. Although I admit I took a 50/50 on the Maimonides question, I forgot.
The same quiz showed up about six months ago and I missed Maimonides. I remember what I get wrong.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:36 pm
I didn't know who Maimonides was; I simply extrapolated from the fact that it's a Greek-influenced name, and I knew that the Jewish diaspora resulted in several communities in among the Greeks, especially in Asia Minor. From there it was a simple deduction.
Growing up Southern Baptist, the question about the Great Awakening was easy because it's central to the development of SBC doctrine, today. Whitefield and Edwards are "household names" among evangelicals. Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" sermon, which is considered to have kicked it off, is still the essential framework for most revivalist/evangelist sermons today.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:39 pm
(October 18, 2015 at 11:36 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: I didn't know who Maimonides was; I simply extrapolated from the fact that it's a Greek-influenced name, and I knew that the Jewish diaspora resulted in several communities in among the Greeks, especially in Asia Minor. From there it was a simple deduction.
yeah, I guessed Maimonides for the same reason, more or less.
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RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 18, 2015 at 11:58 pm
Me, too.
Quote:Your score
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Way too easy. I would expect even a theist to score at least a 65.
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