(October 14, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 14, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Please learn to quote correctly. You don't always have to click Reply, especially for your own posts.

But if you don't..

Then how will anyone know you're still you? D:

(October 14, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 14, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Losty Wrote: But if you don't..

Then how will anyone know you're still you? D:

That was traumatizing.

(October 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote: Bible teaches that Hell is NOT separation from God

Its a place of...
flaming fire
smothering smoke
dismal darkness
screaming and wailing
everlasting chains
flesh-eating worms
no rest

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What are you talking about? Hell is separated from heaven. It also teaches that there will be no answered prayers for those in hell. Could you direct me to where it says what your trying to convey in the bible. Thanks.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

And clearly, the flesh eating worms would attack the gonads and excretory areas . . .


the eyes too.


And I could imagine a tongue being slowly devoured by the worms while the sinner screamed and screamed and screamed and screamed

(October 13, 2015 at 9:41 am)Stimbo Wrote: Snowy, I'm going to go full Drich for a moment and ask for book, chapter and verse for the things you say are known.

Then I'm gonna need an intervention, guys, cos full Drich is not where you want to be for long.

Handy to know eschatology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_eschatology).
The New Creation and Hell won't have the same physics. This universe will be destroyed nearly instantaneous before absolute heat death* (when all atomic particles cease movement around 1 trillion future). After 13 billion years, there's virtual no time left for this universe. That makes sense, since God prepared the universe in advance for man's arrival and once man has arrived and served God's purposes for this universe, it will no longer exist.
Man and Angels, (who watch God lay the foundation of the Earth some 5 billion years ago as an example type)** both spiritual beings will continue to exist however in one of two future dimensions that will be forever sealed off from one another - Christ used the phase 'a great gulf fixed'.*** Sin and evil will never enter the New Creation.
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First of all, the new creation (this current universe will burned-up like a scroll), and Hell don’t currently even exist but are future extra-dimensional creations (after this current period, the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth and the Great White Judgment). For that reason, the biblical description of Hell is metaphorical (the New Creation will not be confined by the current laws-of-physics)4*. The center piece of the New Creation is the New City of Jerusalem (Holy City) described as:
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal…  
   
Any object in weightless space larger than a couple of hundred miles in diameter has enough mass for its gravity to force it into a spherical shape. But in the New Creation, The City maintains it’s cubic shape since gravity is no longer a force. http://clarkplanetarium.org/why-are-plan...nt-page-1/

What is known is that both the New Creation and Hell are future extra-dimensional and are enduring (neither place is subject to the 2’nd law of thermodynamics so Hell is not subject to physical burning). 5*. The language used to describe Hell is metaphoric; the literal words don't describe conditions of another future dimension; but it is known that it is enduring.    
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* - Ref: 2 Peter 3:10-11 -  But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives.

** - Ref Job 38: 4-7 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you know so much. Who determined its dimensions and stretched out the surveying line? What supports its foundations, and who laid its cornerstone as the morning stars sang together with the angels?

*** - Ref Luke 16:26 (Speaking of one of two places after death) - And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass from there to us.

4* "The equations of General Relativity would break down at the singularity" http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-...verse.html

5* - Ref Romans 8:21 "that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay" (entropy)

"It is known" is a spice that snowtracks applies where he is most in doubt.

(October 21, 2015 at 1:35 am)snowtracks Wrote:

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(October 13, 2015 at 9:41 am)Stimbo Wrote: Snowy, I'm going to go full Drich for a moment and ask for book, chapter and verse for the things you say are known.

Then I'm gonna need an intervention, guys, cos full Drich is not where you want to be for long.

Handy to know eschatology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_eschatology).
The New Creation and Hell won't have the same physics. This universe will be destroyed nearly instantaneous before absolute heat death* (when all atomic particles cease movement around 1 trillion future). After 13 billion years, there's virtual no time left for this universe. That makes sense, since God prepared the universe in advance for man's arrival and once man has arrived and served God's purposes for this universe, it will no longer exist.
Man and Angels, (who watch God lay the foundation of the Earth some 5 billion years ago as an example type)** both spiritual beings will continue to exist however in one of two future dimensions that will be forever sealed off from one another - Christ used the phase 'a great gulf fixed'.*** Sin and evil will never enter the New Creation.
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First of all, the new creation (this current universe will burned-up like a scroll), and Hell don’t currently even exist but are future extra-dimensional creations (after this current period, the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth and the Great White Judgment). For that reason, the biblical description of Hell is metaphorical (the New Creation will not be confined by the current laws-of-physics)4*. The center piece of the New Creation is the New City of Jerusalem (Holy City) described as:
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal…  
   
Any object in weightless space larger than a couple of hundred miles in diameter has enough mass for its gravity to force it into a spherical shape. But in the New Creation, The City maintains it’s cubic shape since gravity is no longer a force. http://clarkplanetarium.org/why-are-plan...nt-page-1/

What is known is that both the New Creation and Hell are future extra-dimensional and are enduring (neither place is subject to the 2’nd law of thermodynamics so Hell is not subject to physical burning). 5*. The language used to describe Hell is metaphoric; the literal words don't describe conditions of another future dimension; but it is known that it is enduring.    
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* - Ref: 2 Peter 3:10-11 -  But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives.

** - Ref Job 38: 4-7 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you know so much. Who determined its dimensions and stretched out the surveying line? What supports its foundations, and who laid its cornerstone as the morning stars sang together with the angels?

*** - Ref Luke 16:26 (Speaking of one of two places after death) - And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass from there to us.

4* "The equations of General Relativity would break down at the singularity" http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-...verse.html

5* - Ref Romans 8:21 "that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay" (entropy)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHqLJHss9U

(October 21, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "It is known" is a spice that snowtracks applies where he is most in doubt.

Piquant.

Scripture teaches that unbelievers are trending towards salvation or blasphemy. Most likely, this trend is in a staircase that has ups and downs but overall trending towards one of these two exclusive possibilities. Both salvation and blasphemy have their own thresholds.

Salvation: When trending in this direction, the person is coming to an understanding of what’s required to inherit ‘eternal life’. That person recognizes what God requires (repentance, acceptance of God’s forgiveness, and surrender to God’s authority).

Blasphemy:* When trending in this direction, there is an ongoing animosity towards God (here again, maybe some trepid steps towards salvation’s direction but not enough to change the downward trend).

Thresholds - Salvation, a person crosses over by accepting the Holy Spirit’s promptings towards humility and submission to God’s truth & grace.

Blasphemy, a person crosses over when the will of God in one’s life becomes so weak and the rebellion so strong it’s impossible for the individual to then reverse course; they have ‘crossed the Rubicon’** which means they have willingly and permanently entered into eternal separation from God’s active influence. Not many are living that have crossed this threshold since God has accessed their condition is permanent and final so He removes them to limit their sinful influence on others.
So probably, the most egregious aspect of hell is the company of the people there. But God shows his love and protection even there by restraining (‘restraint’ is the best translation of the word ’torment’) persons by the amount of evil they are capable of infecting on others. The more expression of sin from their earthy life, the more restraint.
　
*N.T. Mark quotes Jesus as saying ‘blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; … guilty of an eternal sin”. The Holy Spirit prompts persons to salvation; the blasphemer repeatedly and knowing defies God.
**Phase by Julius Caesar when he broke the Roman Empire’s law of Imperium.