And the problem is, as soon as God is defined in a scientific way he's no longer God.

Naturalism has supernaturalism in a stranglehold.

Wow just found the original demo version of Even Less by Porcupine Tree

A lot of the lyrics are different... some of the original lyrics are:

"Jesus was crucified for doing nothing
And God is worshiped for even less."

Less than doing nothing... in other words, being nothing haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGT36Tljhc

(October 30, 2015 at 11:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: The fact remains that your god has utterly failed to convince me that it exists.  So again, it is either impotent or non-existent.

Everyone is convinced of God's existence*; not everyone accepts God's authority which is the exercise of their God given 'free-will'. Remember, the Garden-of-Eden was made 'very good' (not perfect like some think), and then God made it even better by introduction free will.  



*Romans 1:20  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

(November 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: The fact remains that your god has utterly failed to convince me that it exists.  So again, it is either impotent or non-existent.

Everyone is convinced of God's existence*; not everyone accepts God's authority which is the exercise of their God given 'free-will'. Remember, the Garden-of-Eden was made 'very good' (not perfect like some think), and then God made it even better by introduction free will.  



*Romans 1:20  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

No, not everyone is convinced of Yahweh's existence, you simple-minded schmuck. Try thinking for yourself for a change, and quit hiding behind the Bible as your excuse for not thinking. I mean, if you are genuinely an idiot, that's one thing. But at least own it. Don't let an old book be the reason for your idiocy.

(November 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: The fact remains that your god has utterly failed to convince me that it exists.  So again, it is either impotent or non-existent.

Everyone is convinced of God's existence*; not everyone accepts God's authority which is the exercise of their God given 'free-will'. Remember, the Garden-of-Eden was made 'very good' (not perfect like some think), and then God made it even better by introduction free will.  



*Romans 1:20  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

I am not convinced of gods existence so you and the bible are wrong on that point.

(November 4, 2015 at 4:44 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Everyone is convinced of God's existence*; not everyone accepts God's authority which is the exercise of their God given 'free-will'. Remember, the Garden-of-Eden was made 'very good' (not perfect like some think), and then God made it even better by introduction free will.  



*Romans 1:20  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

I am not convinced of gods existence so you and the bible are wrong on that point.

Obviously, we don't really know our own minds. Whatever would we do without that asshole, Paul, and his latter day monkey, snowtracks, to tell us what we really know?

Any evidence for one, So far it's been; Visions, Dreams, Vague shapes on things, Feelings and personal definitions.

(November 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: The fact remains that your god has utterly failed to convince me that it exists.  So again, it is either impotent or non-existent.

Everyone is convinced of God's existence* ...

Who is everyone? Not only am I not convinced of god's existence, my personal take is that there is no god to be convinced of. Any god is logically impossible. For a god to exist requires infinite regression and we would not be here yet. The fact that we are here means no infinite regression and IMHO, no possibility of a god.

(November 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Everyone is convinced of God's existence*

Everyone is convinced of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence*

*Pastafarian 1:20 For since the creation of the world FSM's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

(November 4, 2015 at 4:21 pm)snowtracks Wrote:

(October 30, 2015 at 11:40 pm)IATIA Wrote: The fact remains that your god has utterly failed to convince me that it exists.  So again, it is either impotent or non-existent.

Everyone is convinced of God's existence*; not everyone accepts God's authority which is the exercise of their God given 'free-will'. Remember, the Garden-of-Eden was made 'very good' (not perfect like some think), and then God made it even better by introduction free will.  



*Romans 1:20  For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Why should we accept that the Bible is authoritative, or even reflects reality?


Remember, the Bible is not evidence, it is the claim.