(November 4, 2015 at 2:12 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Tough question. Drich doesn't annoy me since I stopped reading his posts. Rik stopped annoying me, when I started annoying him...

Nutter i shouldn't really say but every time i see your name you automatically remind me about an homeless bloke that was picking up cigarettes butts outside a pub.  
It is a sort of nightmare to me.  
But of course i know that you are not anything like that.  
Are you?  

(November 5, 2015 at 9:29 am)Evie Wrote:

(November 5, 2015 at 8:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: Yeah.
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Ok I'll stop you right there, no it's not that's utterly ridiculous. Wanting something is never evidence of anything. For. Fuck's. Sake.

Oh, i see.
So you are positive about it?
What about the onion mind?
Is not that your outer mind has got a particular idea while your inner mind or subconscious got a different one?
One layer differ from the next layer so also the result may be different.
You never thought about it Evie, did you?  

What has got to do with my fucking point? Lmfao.

(November 5, 2015 at 9:42 am)Little Rik Wrote: Nutter i shouldn't really say but every time i see your name you automatically remind me about an homeless bloke that was picking up cigarettes butts outside a pub.   
It is a sort of nightmare to me.   [...]

Why? Did you want those cigarette butts for yourself?...

Oh, well - I guess you're going to have to be faster next time, won't you?

He might find his consciousness in there.

You gotta admit, the hippies have definitely figured out how to activate their own endocannabinoid systems.

Only stoned people ever sound like that.

Aww I like hippies

(November 5, 2015 at 10:18 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You gotta admit, the hippies have definitely figured out how to activate their own endocannabinoid systems.

Only stoned people ever sound like that.

Some stoned people. Don't be profilin'.

(November 4, 2015 at 1:41 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 4, 2015 at 8:50 am)Little Rik Wrote: Has already been established that consciousness is not something physical as our physical senses can not grasp it so if is not physical what else can be other that something non physical.

Quote:The man’s name and his reasons for shooting himself— insanity? anguish? ennui?— are lost to history. But in early 1861 a Frenchman near Paris dug the business end of a pistol into his forehead and pulled the trigger. He missed. Not completely: his frontal skull bone was shattered and flipped upward like a fin. But his brain escaped unscathed. The man’s doctor could in fact see the brain pulsating through the open wound— and couldn’t resist reaching for a metal spatula. Unsure whether the fellow would pass out, scream, or perhaps convulse and die, the doctor pressed the spatula down gently at various points and asked him how he felt. Although no one recorded the answer, you can imagine what the man had on his mind, so to speak. “J’ai mal à la tête, docteur. C’est—” Nothing had happened so far, but when the doctor pressed one particular spot, near the back of the frontal lobe, the man’s words were snapped in two: he suddenly couldn’t speak. The moment the doctor lifted the spatula, the man started up again. “Sacre bleu, doct—” The doctor pressed again, and again strangled his words. This happened over and over— each press left him sputtering, mute.

Kean, Sam (2014-05-06). The Tale of the Dueling Neurosurgeons: The History of the Human Brain as Revealed by True Stories of Trauma, Madness, and Recovery (p. 301). Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.

Sounds pretty physical to me, Mr. "has been established".  Spatula, brain, inability to talk.  Physical interaction affecting mind.

(July 28, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: A case description of cerebral achromatopsia: [Cerebral achromatopsia is a type of color-blindness caused by damage to the cerebral cortex of the brain]

The Case Of The Colorblind Painter

More evidence that physical changes cause mental changes in consciousness.

(July 30, 2014 at 11:54 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Except that in this case the painter did continue to experience qualia, just certain components of that qualia were missing.  So that wouldn't be a fair observation at all.  It's reminiscent of when I challenged ChadWooters argument about veridicality of experience with the example of blindness anosognosia.  His response was that you can't tell much from broken brains.  This is precisely wrong.  You can tell a great deal about ordinary consciousness from broken brains.  In this case, part of the brain is missing, and correspondingly, part of the qualia is missing.  The brain damage revealed how tightly connected to brain function the experience of qualia is.

Has been established my shiny metal ass.

If you really think that you come up with something new that would change something then you just fool yourself.
As far as there exist a parallelism among body-mind-consciousness any of the 3 aspect will be affected when one is in trouble or the other way around which is when one aspect is in good shape then also the other aspect will be in a good shape.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the consciousness is or is not physical.
As far as the consciousness is stuck into a body it is obvious that when the body suffer also the consciousness suffer.
Suppose you have an accident in your car.
Your car get smashed you also get hurt.
That doesn't mean that you are made of metal like your car.
You never thought about it yog, did you?  

(November 5, 2015 at 10:20 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(November 5, 2015 at 10:18 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You gotta admit, the hippies have definitely figured out how to activate their own endocannabinoid systems.

Only stoned people ever sound like that.

Some stoned people. Don't be profilin'.

I bet if there were more religious stoners there would be less holy wars.